Democrats Need to Split California ASAP into 4 new Blue States

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

One of the biggest structural problems that democrats face is that much of their current growth is concentrated in California making it useless in senate races and almost useless Presidentaly. Splitting the state into 4 new blue states is the only possible way that the democrats prevent the structural disadvantage from growing.

They need to immeditatly sit down with Newsome and other California democratic legislature(which control a 2/3rds majority nessecsary to make the appropriate changes) to split the state in such a way to introduce 4 new blue states to remove the structural and electoral disadvantage of their concentration.

[Sir Mohamed]

No! CA is one state. Leave my beloved state alone.

Make DC, PR and Guam states.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

No! CA is one state. Leave my beloved state alone.

Make DC, PR and Guam states.

Guam would be a swing-state, PR could go republican on a senate level(their current non-voting delegate is a Republican). California needs to split to unpack democratic voters.

[Virginiá]

I don't see a solid argument for why California Democrats would even want to try and do this, and whether the people themselves would be OK with it. It's not just some strategy game we're playing here. It's real life, and there are millions of people with their own interests in California.

It's similar to why Maryland lawmakers have no appetite for absorbing Washington DC into the state as a compromise for statehood. Why would Maryland Democrats want to shift the balance of power in the state? Why would Maryland Republicans want to make the state even more stubbornly Democratic? And would the people of Maryland even want to take on a whole new city? It wouldn't take long for people to start thinking that their tax dollars will get further stretched.

Tinkering with existing states like this is a whole lot more difficult than is being let on.

[Sir Mohamed]

No! CA is one state. Leave my beloved state alone.

Make DC, PR and Guam states.

Guam would be a swing-state, PR could go republican on a senate level(their current non-voting delegate is a Republican). California needs to split to unpack democratic voters.

There is legitimate case to make said 3 states, but splitting CA would just be a maneuver. Next time the GOP takes over, they start splitting up red states? I don't think this is a good idea. More broadly, I'd support electing senators via district.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

I don't see a solid argument for why California Democrats would even want to try and do this, and whether the people themselves would be OK with it. It's not just some strategy game we're playing here. It's real life, and there are millions of people with their own interests in California.

It's similar to why Maryland lawmakers have no appetite for absorbing Washington DC into the state as a compromise for statehood. Why would Maryland Democrats want to shift the balance of power in the state? Why would Maryland Republicans want to make the state even more stubbornly Democratic? And would the people of Maryland even want to take on a whole new city? It wouldn't take long for people to start thinking that their tax dollars will get further stretched.

Tinkering with existing states like this is a whole lot more difficult than is being let on.

Because they are Democrats who want to end the democrat disadvantage on a federal level.
Politically speaking the fact that California is large really limits the political ambitions of many politicians due to their being far more house reps than any other state with far fewer statewide positions to advance up too. You can see the problem in the senate where no appointment by Newsome would have been able to fully represent the diversity of the state. Splitting the state is the only sensible solution.

[7,052,770]

Bad precedent. Much better to allow the unrepresented areas of the United States to have representation and let the chips fall.

[Virginiá]

Because they are Democrats who want to end the democrat disadvantage on a federal level.
Politically speaking the fact that California is large really limits the political ambitions of many politicians due to their being far more house reps than any other state with far fewer statewide positions to advance up too. You can see the problem in the senate where no appointment by Newsome would have been able to fully represent the diversity of the state. Splitting the state is the only sensible solution.

Yes, it does make sense on a purely partisan level. You could squeeze a lot of seats out of that state if you chopped it up right.

My point is that it's silly to talk about this like that would be the only consideration. You'd have a parade of Democrats who would be against it based purely on local interests, such as their economy, their own local political influence, the CA people and their own visions of what California is, and so on. It's just not going to happen.

[It’s so Joever]

Just push for dc statehood.

[Beet]

Because they are Democrats who want to end the democrat disadvantage on a federal level.
Politically speaking the fact that California is large really limits the political ambitions of many politicians due to their being far more house reps than any other state with far fewer statewide positions to advance up too. You can see the problem in the senate where no appointment by Newsome would have been able to fully represent the diversity of the state. Splitting the state is the only sensible solution.

Yes, it does make sense on a purely partisan level. You could squeeze a lot of seats out of that state if you chopped it up right.

My point is that it's silly to talk about this like that would be the only consideration. You'd have a parade of Democrats who would be against it based purely on local interests, such as their economy, their own local political influence, the CA people and their own visions of what California is, and so on. It's just not going to happen.

Well it's not purely partisan. There's the fact that the people of CA are severely underrepresented by having only two Senators for all those people.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Why, there is no need even if Manchin doesn't get rid of the Fillibuster, D's can expand their Majority and get PR and DC Statehood in 2022, WI, PA, NC and GA

We not happen

[Badger]

Mind-bogglingly bad precedent, not to mention overwhelmingly opposed by Californians outside of a tiny trumpist minority who want to take a handful of underpopulated redneck Sierra Mountain counties and turn it into a second Idaho.

[The Dowager Mod]

Sure, Then the other side splits Texas into 5. 

[Brittain33]

The current plan of having Californians move en masse to Arizona and Texas is good enough for our needs.

[Agonized-Statism]

This would come off as a hysterical power grab and lessen the impact of the Republicans' screw-up. Democrats already have a mandate for the next few years.

[PSOL]

An easier solution is separating New York and Illinois into two states, north and South.

[Tintrlvr]

I don't see a solid argument for why California Democrats would even want to try and do this, and whether the people themselves would be OK with it. It's not just some strategy game we're playing here. It's real life, and there are millions of people with their own interests in California.

It's similar to why Maryland lawmakers have no appetite for absorbing Washington DC into the state as a compromise for statehood. Why would Maryland Democrats want to shift the balance of power in the state? Why would Maryland Republicans want to make the state even more stubbornly Democratic? And would the people of Maryland even want to take on a whole new city? It wouldn't take long for people to start thinking that their tax dollars will get further stretched.

Tinkering with existing states like this is a whole lot more difficult than is being let on.

It seems reasonable for Northern and Southern California to be separate states quite aside from partisan considerations; their cultures as different as two different states are in most instances, as are their interests, environments, etc.

An easier solution is separating New York and Illinois into two states, north and South.

This would only hurt the Democrats, as Southern Illinois would be a Safe R state, and Northern NY would be only Lean D.

[beaver2.0]

Just push for dc statehood.

No.  Make DC eight states.  Each ward should get statehood.

[It’s so Joever]

Sure, Then the other side splits Texas into 5. 

Good idea!
The West can be a state, then the RGV, the greater Houston, Dallas, and Austin/SA. That won’t backfire at all!

[Virginiá]

It seems reasonable for Northern and Southern California to be separate states quite aside from partisan considerations; their cultures as different as two different states are in most instances, as are their interests, environments, etc.

That is easier to see, yeah. I don't really think it will happen for the aforementioned reasons, though.

[Asta]

As a former California resident, I oppose splitting states purely for political expedience, but even if I were to grant it for the sake of the argument, splitting into Norcal and Socal are better than splitting it into four. I find it nearly impossible to draw four states that will all reliably vote democratic for generations.

[Tintrlvr]

As a former California resident, I oppose splitting states purely for political expedience, but even if I were to grant it for the sake of the argument, splitting into Norcal and Socal are better than splitting it into four. I find it nearly impossible to draw four states that will all reliably vote democratic for generations.

Definitely agree on "reliably", although you can fairly easily draw four quite reasonable Clinton states (San Diego+Imperial, the five LA metro counties, the Bay Area/coast from Santa Barbara northward, and the Central Valley) out of California. The Central Valley state is obviously competitive but still voted for Clinton by 3 points with a long-term Democratic trend - not ideal and definitely the Senate seats and state legislature/governorship would be quite winnable for the Republicans but probably still worth it for the Democrats given the other splits and potential growth there if forced to split up California, and just as significantly I think those splits all very reasonably follow cultural and geographic lines.

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Then Republicans make every Oklahoma county a state.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Why just 4?

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Sure, Then the other side splits Texas into 5. 

Ew!