DC Unrest Megathread

[Gass3268]

Permanently banned

https://twitter.com/twittersafety/status/1347684877634838528?s=21

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I think we all owe Harris an apology for making fun of her "ban Trump's Twitter" platform during the primaries, honestly. He genuinely is far more dangerous with access to the platform than without.

[Joe Haydn]

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1347684684310982660?s=21

Wait, might that be a violation of the Presidential Records Act?

[Crumpets]

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1347684684310982660?s=21

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I cannot in good conscience advocate for sedition charges being given to either of them because of how terribly abused the precedent in this instance, however valid it could possibly be argued to be, would end up being, years down the line.
A censure is painful enough. Word it as harshly as befits the situation, which is to say, very harshly.

I am really tired of hearing how we can't hold politicians accountable for their actions because of some vague notion of "precedent." Very disappointing.

A harshly worded censor would still go a very long way in dragging their political brand in the mud, so I find your argument here to be utter weaksauce.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

I do hope that his tweets are preserved somewhere because I think that there is definitely an intellectual/scholarly use to his tweets over the years.  I am a little uncomfortable with a slippery slope with social media bannings, but I also can't say that it was unjustified.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://twitter.com/seattlepi/status/1347660852850270210

What are chances that they actually resign or that the Senate expel them by 2/3?

Must be pretty close to nonexistent.

I'll predict now that the outcome will be a vote of censure against Hawley at least.  Less sure about Cruz.

That definitely seems plausible.

Yeah, a censure seems both the most appropriate and likely move in this case.

Most likely, yes. Most appropriate however would be sedition charges.

Sedition charges imo would make sense for Hawley for moving the Pennsylvania objection even after the attack, but for Cruz they would be much harder to sustain legally or morally. My own stance is that Cruz should be censured, Hawley expelled, and every member of the House who put forward the Pennsylvania objection censured.

I don't know if there is a meaningful difference morally between moving the objection and voting to sustain it, but there might be a legal distinction —I'm not aware.

The only reason I don't want everybody who voted to sustain either objection censured and every House member who announced an objection after the attack expelled is for the propaganda benefit of showing restraint.

Yeah? How's that strategy been working out for us the Last 5 Years?

I still think there's a happy medium between rolling over like we've done for the past five years and just escalating to complete cold civil war. Depending on how the next few weeks go, I might revise that position in your direction.

I do hope that his tweets are preserved somewhere because I think that there is definitely an intellectual/scholarly use to his tweets over the years.  I am a little uncomfortable with a slippery slope with social media bannings, but I also can't say that it was unjustified.

The Wikipedia article on the attack on Wednesday contains some sort of mirrored version of his deleted tweets from then, so I'm sure they're archived somewhere.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I do hope that his tweets are preserved somewhere because I think that there is definitely an intellectual/scholarly use to his tweets over the years.  I am a little uncomfortable with a slippery slope with social media bannings, but I also can't say that it was unjustified.

Yeah, I agree more or less. I hope his tweets are archived somewhere.

[Middle-aged Europe]

I do hope that his tweets are preserved somewhere because I think that there is definitely an intellectual/scholarly use to his tweets over the years.  I am a little uncomfortable with a slippery slope with social media bannings, but I also can't say that it was unjustified.

Well, there is always this site:

http://trumptwitterarchive.com/

[GeorgiaModerate]

I do hope that his tweets are preserved somewhere because I think that there is definitely an intellectual/scholarly use to his tweets over the years.  I am a little uncomfortable with a slippery slope with social media bannings, but I also can't say that it was unjustified.

Yeah, I agree more or less. I hope his tweets are archived somewhere.

https://www.thetrumparchive.com/

[brucejoel99]

I think we all owe Harris an apology for making fun of her "ban Trump's Twitter" platform during the primaries, honestly. He genuinely is far more dangerous with access to the platform than without.

BRTD in shambles rn

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I do hope that his tweets are preserved somewhere because I think that there is definitely an intellectual/scholarly use to his tweets over the years.  I am a little uncomfortable with a slippery slope with social media bannings, but I also can't say that it was unjustified.

Yeah, I agree more or less. I hope his tweets are archived somewhere.

https://www.thetrumparchive.com/

Good to hear!

[GoTfan]

I cannot in good conscience advocate for sedition charges being given to either of them because of how terribly abused the precedent in this instance, however valid it could possibly be argued to be, would end up being, years down the line.
A censure is painful enough. Word it as harshly as befits the situation, which is to say, very harshly.

I am really tired of hearing how we can't hold politicians accountable for their actions because of some vague notion of "precedent." Very disappointing.

A harshly worded censor would still go a very long way in dragging their political brand in the mud, so I find your argument here to be utter weaksauce.

A censure is basically a slap over the wrist and nothing more. You honestly think they'll care if they get censures? You think the people they're trying to line up to support them in 2024 will care? They'll wear it as a badge of honour and Trumpies will worship them as heroes.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Permanently banned

https://twitter.com/twittersafety/status/1347684877634838528?s=21

Now we need to permanently ban him from the government.

[100% pro-life no matter what]

Not being able to tweet could hinder Trump from taking the nomination in 2024.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

Permanently banned

https://twitter.com/twittersafety/status/1347684877634838528?s=21

Now we need to permanently ban him from the government.

Permanently ban him from America

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1347674222194253825

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I cannot in good conscience advocate for sedition charges being given to either of them because of how terribly abused the precedent in this instance, however valid it could possibly be argued to be, would end up being, years down the line.
A censure is painful enough. Word it as harshly as befits the situation, which is to say, very harshly.

I am really tired of hearing how we can't hold politicians accountable for their actions because of some vague notion of "precedent." Very disappointing.

A harshly worded censor would still go a very long way in dragging their political brand in the mud, so I find your argument here to be utter weaksauce.

A censure is basically a slap over the wrist and nothing more. You honestly think they'll care if they get censures? You think the people they're trying to line up to support them in 2024 will care? They'll wear it as a badge of honour and Trumpies will worship them as heroes.

A censure passed by a massive margin, with a number of Republicans voting in favor, could pretty effectively used by a primary challenger. The fact that many GOPers would be voting in favor would give political cover to their opponents and impart political liability on part of Hawley and Cruz.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1347674222194253825

4:1 against is a better ratio than I was expecting tbh.

[Diabolical Materialism]

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1347674222194253825

Man, that's pretty damning.

[Gass3268]

I do hope that his tweets are preserved somewhere because I think that there is definitely an intellectual/scholarly use to his tweets over the years.  I am a little uncomfortable with a slippery slope with social media bannings, but I also can't say that it was unjustified.

I have to imagine the National Achieves has them or could request them from Twitter if necessary.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1347674222194253825

Now that's a Trump-related instance of the number 88 that I can get behind.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1347674222194253825

Allot of scales from allot of eyes fell that day.

[Cashew]

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1347674222194253825

4:1 against is a better ratio than I was expecting tbh.

Need to adjust for the shy terrorist effect.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Reminder that many people on this very forum cited that poll earlier about how 45% or so of Republicans seemingly supported the attacks, and in the process acted prematurely before things settled.