South Korea had a birth rate of 0.5% last year

[Tender Branson]

„Normal“ countries have ca. 1% per year.

For the first time ever, SK also had more deaths than births, which means something - because their death rate is among the lowest on the planet.

SK has ca. 53 million people and had a record low 276.000 births last year (-10%), ca. the amount of Florida, and 308.000 deaths.

[Tender Branson]

Source:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55526450

[Samof94]

That kind of demographic collapse is going to hit Taiwan, Japan, and China as well.

[Beet]

It's already the same in many Chinese cities like Shanghai. This is why the notion of China being a long-term threat to overtake the Western democracies is gibberish.

[Former President tack50]

This is why South Korea, aka imperiali$t Korea is Worst Korea. Meanwhile, in North Korea, under the glorious leadership of comrade Kim Jong Un has only the greatest of birth rates. Soon the imperialists and their American benefactors will fall!

[CumbrianLefty]

It's already the same in many Chinese cities like Shanghai. This is why the notion of China being a long-term threat to overtake the Western democracies is gibberish.

Though aren't birth rates falling in much of the "West" as well?

[vitoNova]

Korean chicks are the hottest Asians.

My theory = all that BBQ and soul food gives them 'tude and junk-in-the-trunk.

[Amanda Huggenkiss]

It's already the same in many Chinese cities like Shanghai. This is why the notion of China being a long-term threat to overtake the Western democracies is gibberish.

Maybe that's a bit of stretch.

[dead0man]

It's already the same in many Chinese cities like Shanghai. This is why the notion of China being a long-term threat to overtake the Western democracies is gibberish.

Maybe that's a bit of stretch.

indeed, a sh**t birth rate is just one reason of many why China will never surpass the west.

[dead0man]

It's already the same in many Chinese cities like Shanghai. This is why the notion of China being a long-term threat to overtake the Western democracies is gibberish.

Though aren't birth rates falling in much of the "West" as well?

low birthrates in the west aren't (as much of) a problem because people from Not The West always want to move there.  The only people who want to move to China are people who can't get to a western country.

[Tender Branson]

It's already the same in many Chinese cities like Shanghai. This is why the notion of China being a long-term threat to overtake the Western democracies is gibberish.

Maybe that's a bit of stretch.

indeed, a sh**t birth rate is just one reason of many why China will never surpass the west.

China actually doesn't have that low of a birth rate yet.

While there was a massive fall between 2018 and 2019, their birth rate was stil 1.05% - which is double the rate of South Korea and in line with most European countries or even a bit higher, but slightly lower than the US.

They could easily relax their 2-child policy by now, because Chinese couples are not going to have more than 2 kids anyway (too expensive and time-consuming).

[Santander]

Having more than 1-2 children is something rural and poor people do because they have nothing else in their lives. If you have a good life, the only reason to have a kid is to have someone to pass your assets on to when you die, and you don't need more than 1 for that.

[2952-0-0]

China actually doesn't have that low of a birth rate yet.

While there was a massive fall between 2018 and 2019, their birth rate was stil 1.05% - which is double the rate of South Korea and in line with most European countries or even a bit higher, but slightly lower than the US.

They could easily relax their 2-child policy by now, because Chinese couples are not going to have more than 2 kids anyway (too expensive and time-consuming).

The first world countries have a somewhat easier time than China than their low fertility rates, since they are already wealthy and can still live off the interest of their excess accumulated wealth. But China is still only as wealthy as Mexico or Argentina with a demographic structure like Japan, and won't be able to do likewise.

Birth rates continue to fall even with relaxed family policies. Now some local governments have swung to the other extreme and decreed restrictions on abortion - but birth rates still aren't recovering. The three northeastern provinces have a fertility rate of ~0.75 children per woman, which is Children of Men levels.

It turns out you can use a police state to bring birth rates down, but not raise them back up.

[Former President tack50]

China actually doesn't have that low of a birth rate yet.

While there was a massive fall between 2018 and 2019, their birth rate was stil 1.05% - which is double the rate of South Korea and in line with most European countries or even a bit higher, but slightly lower than the US.

They could easily relax their 2-child policy by now, because Chinese couples are not going to have more than 2 kids anyway (too expensive and time-consuming).

The first world countries have a somewhat easier time than China than their low fertility rates, since they are already wealthy and can still live off the interest of their excess accumulated wealth. But China is still only as wealthy as Mexico or Argentina with a demographic structure like Japan, and won't be able to do likewise.

Birth rates continue to fall even with relaxed family policies. Now some local governments have swung to the other extreme and decreed restrictions on abortion - but birth rates still aren't recovering. The three northeastern provinces have a fertility rate of ~0.75 children per woman, which is Children of Men levels.

It turns out you can use a police state to bring birth rates down, but not raise them back up.

I mean, China is an authoritarian dictatorship. In theory if it came to it, banning abortion and banning contraceptives would instantly increase birth rates by quite a bit. Add a bit of government propaganda to the mix and boom, problem solved

It wouldn't even be a particularly new idea, that was already done by Ceaucescu's Romania. Now, contraceptives will be smuggled in of course, but it would still easily increase birth rates

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770

[PSOL]

This is why South Korea, aka imperiali$t Korea is Worst Korea. Meanwhile, in North Korea, under the glorious leadership of comrade Kim Jong Un has only the greatest of birth rates. Soon the imperialists and their American benefactors will fall!

North Korea’s birth rate is still below replacement level.

The collapse in birthrates across East Asia is due to having children be incredibly unsustainable for the normal person due to a lack of effective governance in the state and workplace making such a thing possible.

In even more socially conservative, “family”-oriented Myanmar, the Birth rate is also below level with even more people immigrating out due to how s•••ty it is living there and the quick benefits of immigration. Even under a democracy or a dictatorship, one can’t form a family if their isn’t a support system. Usually under this stage of Capitalism, and the reintroduction of it, is naturally an immense boner killer with its byproducts if you don’t have a manage for it as an “efficient” country. Such byproducts include eviscerating the family structure and leaving people without time or effective ability for parenthood to be worth it.

On the failed policy under Nazbol Ceaceau, it failed incredibly as the unsustainable birthrates greatly led to overcrowding in the cities and migration rates to urban areas leading to problems usually faced by capitalist nations with harmful policies towards humanity and a lack of pressure to fix it. That was one vital part of the collapse of the government in 1989. Later, in the (capitalist) Islamic republic of Iran, such similar policies and lack of care led to urban uprisings of homeless people in the mid 1990s and cemented the heavier opposition located in cities among most of the poorer working class leading to the now heavy agitation and rebellions seen recently in areas such as the Regime stronghold of Mashhad.

It’s a matter of beliefs of the upper class and the pressure exerted internally on them providing the needed will. China can’t just hope that reinvigorating Confucianism will work, as that isn’t appealing to most middle class or working class people. Other forms of Buddhism and Chinese folk or anything else, in more older and newer variants, are opposed to the CCP for a variety of reasons. Same with in South Korea among a significant portion of its elite. Japan kind of co-opted it with Nicheren Buddhism, but the remaining religious movements hate the LDP, even the arch-conservatives.

[2952-0-0]

The biggest factors that restrain China's birth rates are soaring housing prices and pressure-cooker work environments, and these can't be solved by fiat. Simply decreeing a baby boom will lead to local governments creating millions of fake births to claim more subsidies from Beijing. And, of course, lots of dead women and unwanted children.

The CCP have spent the past 30 years obsessing over the Soviet collapse, and are no doubt aware of the consequences of Ceaucescu's forced baby boom.

[dead0man]

Of coure a leftist would have the gall to blame the PRC, Myanmar and Iran's population issues on Capitalism of all things.  Doesn't it hurt to stretch that far without warming up first?

[PSOL]

Of coure a leftist would have the gall to blame the PRC, Myanmar and Iran's population issues on Capitalism of all things.  Doesn't it hurt to stretch that far without warming up first?

[dead0man]

[Crumpets]

It's already the same in many Chinese cities like Shanghai. This is why the notion of China being a long-term threat to overtake the Western democracies is gibberish.

Though aren't birth rates falling in much of the "West" as well?

Well, we encourage robust immigration from a diverse selection of countries, which can mitigate that problem.

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Are you sure that they didn't have more deaths than births during the Korean war?

[Tender Branson]

Are you sure that they didn't have more deaths than births during the Korean war?

Yes, I am sure:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Korea#Registered_births_and_deaths

There was a high death rate at the time of course, but their birth rate was at current African levels as well.

[CumbrianLefty]

It's already the same in many Chinese cities like Shanghai. This is why the notion of China being a long-term threat to overtake the Western democracies is gibberish.

Though aren't birth rates falling in much of the "West" as well?

Well, we encourage robust immigration from a diverse selection of countries, which can mitigate that problem.

Though of course, there are quite a few who would put the kibosh on that if they could.