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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2022, 02:56:58 PM » |
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I sorta agree with Josée Legault that M-V won't be that important for the PQ. Either they're comatose like Joe Clark's PCs or die completely like the UN, and I don't think another leader would do much better than PSPP.
Its interesting to look at formerly powerful parties in Canada that have died. The classic example is the Union Nationale which went from being the government of Quebec in 1970 to losing all seats in 1973 and after a dead cat bounce in 1976 - basically ceased to exist. Other major parties that have died would include: Alberta Social Credit (Government 1936 to 1971, sputtered with a handful of seats in the 70s and then vanished) BC Social Credit (Government 1952-72 and again 1975-1991 - then got annhilated and subsumed into the current BC Liberal Party) The provincial Liberal parties in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba were all going concerns as recently as the 1990s and 00s - and are all now basically dead.
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2022, 08:59:03 AM » |
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« Edited: December 13, 2022, 10:32:49 AM by DL »
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With just over 2/3 of the polls, the percentage gap has closed somewhat between the Liberals and the Conservatives to 51.1-35.6%.
It is possible the Conservatives will not decline significantly from 2021 when all the votes are counted.
Looks like a minor decrease, 38% in the 2021 general, and 37% in the by-election. It's the Liberal vote that has increased to 51% from 44% in the general. It was the decrease in votes for the other parties here; People's, NDP, Green that looks to have gone Liberal in this two-horse race. Turnout looks like 23K votes vs the general at 56K.
I doubt if anyone who actually voted NDP or Green or PPC in the 2021 general election turned around and voted Liberal in the byelection. More likely it’s a repeat of an age old pattern that support for minor parties and candidates tends to evaporate and stay home in a byelection where they are not seen as contenders and they have no national campaign to coast on. Normally byelections are an easy place for people to register a protest vote against the incumbent government. It’s normally very unusual for the main opposition to lose ground in a riding in a byelection unless the government is extremely popular and in some sort of honeymoon phase, which is not the case right now
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2022, 05:26:01 PM » |
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One of the main Conservative pundits is spinning this as not a defeat, since they never bothered to try hard anyway, while acknowledging that the NDP to Liberal shift maaaaay be an issue going forward.
Of course, as everyone else here has stated, if the Conservatives aren't bothering here, then they're not bothering to win.
https://spencerfernando.com/2022/12/13/liberals-hold-mississauga-lakeshore/
This argument is a bit bogus. If this was a riding where the Tories have won in the past thanks to a vote split and where the NDP traditionally gets 20-25% of the vote and that had collapsed to 5% - then maybe you could make the case that the Tories lost because the anti-Tory vote consolidated. But Mississauga-Lakeshore is a seat where NDP support has always been negligible. It was less than 10% in the last general election. This is like what happens to Labour party support when there is a UK byelection in a seat that is traditionally a Tory-Lib Dem battle and where Labour is always third - the Labour vote evaporates. Supporters of parties that are perennial non-contenders typically just stay home in byelections. Even if the NDP had gone from 10% to 15% rather than dropping from 10% to 5% and we assume that 100% of that came from the Liberals - the Liberals still would have won. The other spin we see today from Tories is that they lost because they had a bad local candidate who came across as too polished and professional and wasn't enough of a populist loud mouth to rouse the dormant Tory base....yeah right, the Tory base in that riding seems so dormant they may keep sleeping for another thousand years...
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