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« on: December 05, 2020, 05:36:00 PM »

The answer is painfully obvious for the dems, but I can convinced to either one here.

VA GOP:
using conventions
screwing over Riggleman who was a fine guy
KKKorey


AZ GOP:
Ducey's "handling" of COVID
the recall against him by Republicans
Marth McSally x2

GA GOP:
Doing their best to lose the run offs
attacking their own SOS
Kemp's "handling" of COVID
MTG

it's odd that these were all at one point well oiled state parties. Now they have fallen quite far.


PS: I get that VA loses more than the other two, but their demographics are especially harder so I think they should be graded on a bit of a curve
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2020, 05:39:30 PM »

az and ga are still winning statewide elections so for now it's VA
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2020, 05:40:46 PM »

Arizona's GOP is going downhill and fast. It's not the worst, but it's on a race to the bottom along with Georgia.

They need to fire Kelli Ward. She's a West Virginia native and she is behaving like AZ is WV. She hated McCain and Flake for being "RINOs." But the Arizona electorate seems to like RINOs. Arizona is more libertarian than conservative. But with Kelli Ward, she's shoving wingnuts down everyones throat.

Ducey has the best chance of winning back a senate seat. And she's already on the outs with him. I bet she runs and gets slaughtered.
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2020, 06:04:35 PM »

Virginia is the nominal worst, but Arizona is the worst adjusted for the partisan lean of the state. The AZ GOP has thrown away far more winnable elections than the VA GOP as of late (note that even though Riggleman got screwed over, his successor didn't underperform too badly) mostly cause AZ is hypothetically a state where the GOP could still win statewide if it didn't do things like nominating McSally twice.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2020, 06:25:54 PM »

Arizona's GOP is going downhill and fast. It's not the worst, but it's on a race to the bottom along with Georgia.

They need to fire Kelli Ward. She's a West Virginia native and she is behaving like AZ is WV. She hated McCain and Flake for being "RINOs." But the Arizona electorate seems to like RINOs. Arizona is more libertarian than conservative. But with Kelli Ward, she's shoving wingnuts down everyones throat.

Ducey has the best chance of winning back a senate seat. And she's already on the outs with him. I bet she runs and gets slaughtered.


The issue is that as Maricopa blues, lots of people are leaving the GOP to become Indies or Dems, so the rurals become very important in the primary, and they include the types of people who made Ward chair, in the first place.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2020, 06:32:52 PM »

Arizona's GOP is going downhill and fast. It's not the worst, but it's on a race to the bottom along with Georgia.

They need to fire Kelli Ward. She's a West Virginia native and she is behaving like AZ is WV. She hated McCain and Flake for being "RINOs." But the Arizona electorate seems to like RINOs. Arizona is more libertarian than conservative. But with Kelli Ward, she's shoving wingnuts down everyones throat.

Ducey has the best chance of winning back a senate seat. And she's already on the outs with him. I bet she runs and gets slaughtered.


The issue is that as Maricopa blues, lots of people are leaving the GOP to become Indies or Dems, so the rurals become very important in the primary, and they include the types of people who made Ward chair, in the first place.


Don’t forget the Maricopa county GOP supporting Joe Arpaio for such a long time as well , and many dem activists in Arizona actually credit the work they put in against  Arpaio for so many years in finding a pathway to breaking the GOP stranglehold on Maricopa County and finding pathways to win there
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2020, 06:45:09 PM »

Arizona's GOP is going downhill and fast. It's not the worst, but it's on a race to the bottom along with Georgia.

They need to fire Kelli Ward. She's a West Virginia native and she is behaving like AZ is WV. She hated McCain and Flake for being "RINOs." But the Arizona electorate seems to like RINOs. Arizona is more libertarian than conservative. But with Kelli Ward, she's shoving wingnuts down everyones throat.

Ducey has the best chance of winning back a senate seat. And she's already on the outs with him. I bet she runs and gets slaughtered.

As far as who can beat Kelly, Ducey's approvals are in the trash so my guess is not him. All of the congressional delegation for AZ GOP are in the freedom caucus and don't have great statewide appeal.
However, the AG byrnovich and the treasurer Yee are very serious threats to Kelly. They both survived 2018 and could go for Gov or senate. the AG is term limited and the treasurer is not IIRC
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2020, 06:54:45 PM »

VA GOP

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2020, 06:59:45 PM »

Virginia, because of their GOP's long string of losses and it's still a bit too early to say for the Arizona and Georgia GOPs (though the outlook in both states is pretty grim).
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2020, 07:31:14 PM »

Arizona's GOP is going downhill and fast. It's not the worst, but it's on a race to the bottom along with Georgia.

They need to fire Kelli Ward. She's a West Virginia native and she is behaving like AZ is WV. She hated McCain and Flake for being "RINOs." But the Arizona electorate seems to like RINOs. Arizona is more libertarian than conservative. But with Kelli Ward, she's shoving wingnuts down everyones throat.

Ducey has the best chance of winning back a senate seat. And she's already on the outs with him. I bet she runs and gets slaughtered.

As far as who can beat Kelly, Ducey's approvals are in the trash so my guess is not him. All of the congressional delegation for AZ GOP are in the freedom caucus and don't have great statewide appeal.
However, the AG byrnovich and the treasurer Yee are very serious threats to Kelly. They both survived 2018 and could go for Gov or senate. the AG is term limited and the treasurer is not IIRC

Brnovich or Yee would be the strongest I agree (other than a wildcard like a McCain), but honestly both could go for Governor, especially if Kelli Ward or one of her allies runs, and she positions the party machinery firmly behind them.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2020, 06:35:57 AM »

The Minnesota GOP should also be included for pure incompetence.

Of these, the VAGOP.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2020, 08:13:22 AM »

Kansas. They managed to create basically a model organism for why their own ideology was so flawed, suddenly most gubernatorial and senatorial elections are somewhat competitive, and one day, maybe presidential as well.
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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2020, 01:22:29 AM »

write-in: NC GOP
of these, the AZ GOP
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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2020, 05:17:24 AM »

TX GOP should be considered. Look at Allen West.
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2020, 08:16:12 AM »

Kansas. They managed to create basically a model organism for why their own ideology was so flawed, suddenly most gubernatorial and senatorial elections are somewhat competitive, and one day, maybe presidential as well.
They lost the Governor’s race for a reason.
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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2020, 08:16:33 AM »

Abortion and trans bathrooms have been their main issues.
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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2020, 02:21:21 PM »

Oregon and Pennsylvania
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2020, 10:05:20 PM »

VA officially the worst. Worse than CA and certainly worse than AZ or GA. In about a decade I could see GA be even worse though.
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2020, 10:52:32 PM »

Kansas. They managed to create basically a model organism for why their own ideology was so flawed, suddenly most gubernatorial and senatorial elections are somewhat competitive, and one day, maybe presidential as well.

Quite the own-goal there.

And a big change from Kansas's past political landscape, too. The Kelly coalition and the Sebelius coalition are very different.


Side note, what's with Democratic Governors of Kansas making so many appointments? By the end of her governorship (which wasn't even eight years, it was only six!), Kathleen Sebelius had appointed a majority of the state Supreme Court (the only governor to ever do so) and two of the row offices. Then her successor Mark Parkinson appointed another row office. For nine months in 2010, five out of Kansas's six statewide offices were held by Democrats.

Now Laura Kelly has just appointed her third justice to the state Supreme Court (the court is literally 5D-2R) and is going to appoint LaTurner's replacement for Treasurer, and she's still got at least two years left.
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2020, 10:56:12 PM »

Kansas. They managed to create basically a model organism for why their own ideology was so flawed, suddenly most gubernatorial and senatorial elections are somewhat competitive, and one day, maybe presidential as well.

They still haven't lost a Senate race since 1932.
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2021, 12:30:01 AM »



Funny how things are less than a year later in the present.
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2021, 12:41:37 AM »

The PA GOP is an extemely underrated pick here, especially relative to states with a similar partisan lean (or even states far bluer than PA, e.g. VA). Most of their wins have been due to factors well beyond their control, and their repeated underperformances at the state level & inability to put up halfway competent candidates even with a fairly broad bench are quite notable. For such a large and pivotal swing state, their general organization seems to be really poor (contrast that with FL).
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2021, 10:01:16 PM »


     Especially given that a majority of voters in the poll selected that one. You can call that one a swing and a miss.
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