Do Trump supporters hate democracy?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

There's a bit early on in Judge Wine-box's "interview" with Lara Trump that makes Trump supporters' position on democracy very clear.

"Governor Kemp owes his position to President Trump. It would be nice if he reciprocated."

[Person Man]

It’s a more fair characterization of them than It would be even 2 months ago.

[Annatar]

If the liberals on this forum really believe Trump supporters hate democracy than they should give up on America since 47% of voters backed Trump, if 47% of American voters hate democracy than democracy in America is already dead, what is to stop an authoritarian Republican from winning in 2024 and ending democracy altogether if half the electorate already hates democracy, surely it is only a matter of time now.

In a country where 47% of voters hate democracy as many people on this forum seem to think, it is only a matter of time until democracy collapses, personally, America becoming a right wing dictatorship would have one immediate downside, this forum would not be that active as there would be no American elections left to discuss.

[DINGO Joe]

If the liberals on this forum really believe Trump supporters hate democracy than they should give up on America since 47% of voters backed Trump, if 47% of American voters hate democracy than democracy in America is already dead, what is to stop an authoritarian Republican from winning in 2024 and ending democracy altogether if half the electorate already hates democracy, surely it is only a matter of time now.

In a country where 47% of voters hate democracy as many people on this forum seem to think, it is only a matter of time until democracy collapses, personally, America becoming a right wing dictatorship would have one immediate downside, this forum would not be that active as there would be no American elections left to discuss.

They do and it's a huge problem.  It is like peeling layers off an onion.  There are some that are redeemable and hold Democracy in higher stead than Trump, but the substantial core are truly irredeemable.

[BlueSwan]

If the liberals on this forum really believe Trump supporters hate democracy than they should give up on America since 47% of voters backed Trump, if 47% of American voters hate democracy than democracy in America is already dead, what is to stop an authoritarian Republican from winning in 2024 and ending democracy altogether if half the electorate already hates democracy, surely it is only a matter of time now.

In a country where 47% of voters hate democracy as many people on this forum seem to think, it is only a matter of time until democracy collapses, personally, America becoming a right wing dictatorship would have one immediate downside, this forum would not be that active as there would be no American elections left to discuss.

Well, the hope is that infact it is "only" 47% percent, which means that a majority still supports democracy. But democracy faces a HUGE threat, there is no doubt about that.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

If the liberals on this forum really believe Trump supporters hate democracy than they should give up on America since 47% of voters backed Trump, if 47% of American voters hate democracy than democracy in America is already dead, what is to stop an authoritarian Republican from winning in 2024 and ending democracy altogether if half the electorate already hates democracy, surely it is only a matter of time now.

In a country where 47% of voters hate democracy as many people on this forum seem to think, it is only a matter of time until democracy collapses, personally, America becoming a right wing dictatorship would have one immediate downside, this forum would not be that active as there would be no American elections left to discuss.

They do and it's a huge problem.  It is like peeling layers off an onion.  There are some that are redeemable and hold Democracy in higher stead than Trump, but the substantial core are truly irredeemable.

It is a huge problem, and I do not have any good or simple solutions. And doubtless the fascists would prefer it if their victims simply "gave up". (Fascists, like "conservatives", really hate it when the victims of their abuse fight back.) But "giving up" isn't a viable solution either - as WWII showed us, eventually fascists will always come for everyone else. Because they can't actually run a nation on their own, they need war and looting and foreign scapegoats for their own evil incompetence.

American fascism is undead  - a dead thing walking around and pretending its alive. Sooner or later its rotted husk will collapse. Whether that will be an internal as decay and daylight catch up to it,  or whether it will need to be put down like the monster it is, I don't know. But leaving it alone will never be a good response.

[Horus]

Without a doubt. Before the election I was still holding out hope, but since the results came in it's just too obvious.

If you still support Trump I question your commitment to democracy, your ethics and your decency as a human. You are in a cult.

[Florida Man for Crime]

This is pretty much a description of the contemporary Republican Party, as it has been taken over by Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attacked/transcripts/bushaddress_092001.html

Americans are asking ``Why do they hate us?''

They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.

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We have seen their kind before. They're the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions, by abandoning every value except the will to power, they follow in the path of fascism, Nazism and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way to where it ends in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies.

[Florida Man for Crime]

If the liberals on this forum really believe Trump supporters hate democracy than they should give up on America since 47% of voters backed Trump, if 47% of American voters hate democracy than democracy in America is already dead, what is to stop an authoritarian Republican from winning in 2024 and ending democracy altogether if half the electorate already hates democracy, surely it is only a matter of time now.

Yes, that seems to be quite possibly our trajectory/timeline. As for the ETA, 2024 may or may not be too early, it is hard to say but it depends on what happens and what people do.

[Brittain33]

There was a blog called “Stuff White People Like” around 15 years ago and they made the point that white people like competitions and games where they have no possibility of losing. In 2000-2004, when there really was a slight conservative and Republican majority in the U.S, the same people liked democracy, and I was worried about how it would crush me as a minority. Now that this predominantly white group is in a minority, they see democracy as a game they will usually lose, and they want no part of it while I stan it.

[Panda Express]

"If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy.” ― David Frum

[Fuzzy Bear]

They hate democracy and don't deserve to be pandered to or "won over" by the Biden team. Any official enabling -- or worse yet, outright supporting -- his brazen and unprecedented attacks on democracy deserves to lose their job and never be heard from again. McEnany, Giuliani, Ellis, Powell, Stone, Bannon, and the rest of this rotten bunch should be publicly exiled and shamed for the rest of their lives. They shouldn't even be able to get a job selling sandwiches at Union Station.

This isn't the most unhinged post I've read since I've been on the forum, but it's the most unhinged I've read today.  That ought to count for something.

[7,052,770]

If the liberals on this forum really believe Trump supporters hate democracy than they should give up on America since 47% of voters backed Trump, if 47% of American voters hate democracy than democracy in America is already dead, what is to stop an authoritarian Republican from winning in 2024 and ending democracy altogether if half the electorate already hates democracy, surely it is only a matter of time now.

In a country where 47% of voters hate democracy as many people on this forum seem to think, it is only a matter of time until democracy collapses, personally, America becoming a right wing dictatorship would have one immediate downside, this forum would not be that active as there would be no American elections left to discuss.

Yeah, it's a huge crisis and not over just because Trump lost.

[Gustaf]

Do fascists s**t in the woods?

[Gustaf]

If the liberals on this forum really believe Trump supporters hate democracy than they should give up on America since 47% of voters backed Trump, if 47% of American voters hate democracy than democracy in America is already dead, what is to stop an authoritarian Republican from winning in 2024 and ending democracy altogether if half the electorate already hates democracy, surely it is only a matter of time now.

In a country where 47% of voters hate democracy as many people on this forum seem to think, it is only a matter of time until democracy collapses, personally, America becoming a right wing dictatorship would have one immediate downside, this forum would not be that active as there would be no American elections left to discuss.

I agree that the high vote share for Trump suggests American democracy is basically dead. On the upside, most Trump supporters are so incompetent they might just kill themselves off before they hurt other people too much and if they can be kept at bay for another decade or so there is some hope that demographic replacement decreases their political influence. But it certainly looks pretty grim!

[Crumpets]

If they still support him now, yes, absolutely. Doesn't mean everyone who voted for him last months supports his ongoing shenanigans, though.

[John Dule]

If the liberals on this forum really believe Trump supporters hate democracy than they should give up on America since 47% of voters backed Trump, if 47% of American voters hate democracy than democracy in America is already dead, what is to stop an authoritarian Republican from winning in 2024 and ending democracy altogether if half the electorate already hates democracy, surely it is only a matter of time now.

In a country where 47% of voters hate democracy as many people on this forum seem to think, it is only a matter of time until democracy collapses, personally, America becoming a right wing dictatorship would have one immediate downside, this forum would not be that active as there would be no American elections left to discuss.

You're leaving out the 50% of Democrats who also have shown contempt for democracy in the past. I estimate that about 75% of this country is authoritarian by nature, and another ~20% is too apathetic to do much about their beliefs.

[vitoNova]

Yes.  

And it's 1000% due to race.  And the fear of demographic displacement as they and their kids simply are not achieving academic or professional success.  

It's bad enough that you go to these small towns in flyover country, and ALL the doctors are of Indian origin (i.e., Muslims who are here illegally).  That is literally what my Trumper aunt said.  

[Former President tack50]

Yes.  

And it's 1000% due to race.  And the fear of demographic displacement as they and their kids simply are not achieving academic or professional success.  

It's bad enough that you go to these small towns in flyover country, and ALL the doctors are of Indian origin (i.e., Muslims who are here illegally).  That is literally what my Trumper aunt said.  

I mean, if that was the truth, wouldn't the Republicans when they had a trifecta simply enacted draconian immigration restrictions, ramped up deportations and called it a day?

[Florida Man for Crime]

Yes.  

And it's 1000% due to race.  And the fear of demographic displacement as they and their kids simply are not achieving academic or professional success.  

It's bad enough that you go to these small towns in flyover country, and ALL the doctors are of Indian origin (i.e., Muslims who are here illegally).  That is literally what my Trumper aunt said.  

I mean, if that was the truth, wouldn't the Republicans when they had a trifecta simply enacted draconian immigration restrictions, ramped up deportations and called it a day?

Republican elected officials are not the same thing as the Republican base. The Republican base would like that very much, but Republican elected officials are reluctant to get between cheap labor and their corporate overlords. In addition, Dems would filibuster that in the Senate since unfortunately the filibuster still exists.

[Bernie Derangement Syndrome Haver]

Yes. Because true democracy is fairness and equality, and those are not conservative goals. As the slow but inevitable path to human rights marches on, conservatives will always stand in the way, just as they have been on the wrong side on pretty much every social movement in history. Eventually, attacking and even dismantling democracy will be necessary in order to prevent the progress that they so fear.

[morgankingsley]

I don't think people who voted for him hate it just because they voted for him on its own. It is more of how many are supporting him trying to change the result. That does make a large bit of his voters, but not every one, so I think its fair to say "most, but not all"

[Del Tachi]

If you believe the election was fraudulent or unfair, then there is nothing "undemocratic" about not recognizing the results as legitimate (like what Stacey Abrams did after losing in 2018, lol.)  This isn't a question of values, it's a matter of (mis)information.     

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/SenMikeLee/status/1314089207875371008

Yes they do because they genuinely believe they are smarter than everyone else.  Even though all facts, evidence, logic suggests that they are in fact much dumber than the general populace.

You can’t have ordered liberty without self determination.

[RINO Tom]

"Trump supporters" and "Biden supporters" can literally only be united on voting for those two respective people last November.