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« on: December 01, 2020, 07:37:13 PM »

So the Top 6 in the primaries were: Biden, Bernie, Warren, Bloomberg, Mayor Pete, Klobuchar

This is what I think


Bernie vs Trump:



Trump/Pence 290
Bernie/Gilibrand 248

Warren vs Trump:



Trump/Pence 312
Warren/Booker 226


Bloomberg vs Trump



Bloomberg/Harris 275
Trump/Pence 263

Mayor Pete vs Trump:



Trump/Pence 275
Buttigieg/Warren 263

Klobuchar vs Trump



Klobuchar/Booker 279
Trump/Pence 259



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« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2020, 07:44:03 PM »

In hindsight, it's clear that Joe was the only person in the final six who would have won.

Sanders/Warren:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/8D8lG

Buttigieg:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/JZGRW

Bloomberg:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/RZG6A.

Klobuchar:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/ZAGKo

Black turnout would crater with the latter three, while Warren and especially Sanders could be easily painted as far left radicals.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2020, 07:46:43 PM »

Hot take: Only Bloomberg would have won.

Sanders/Warren:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/8D8lG

Buttigieg:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/JZGRW

Bloomberg:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/lOxd4

Klobuchar:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/ZAGKo. Her George Floyd-related baggage would cause black turnout to absolutely crater, though she'd definitely get the home state bump in Minnesota.

You think Mayor Pete would lose MN?
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2020, 07:47:42 PM »

Hot take: Only Bloomberg would have won.

Sanders/Warren:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/8D8lG

Buttigieg:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/JZGRW

Bloomberg:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/lOxd4

Klobuchar:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/ZAGKo. Her George Floyd-related baggage would cause black turnout to absolutely crater, though she'd definitely get the home state bump in Minnesota.

You think Mayor Pete would lose MN?

Yeah. He was really not a good candidate.
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2020, 07:50:41 PM »

Hot take: Only Bloomberg would have won.

Sanders/Warren:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/8D8lG

Buttigieg:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/JZGRW

Bloomberg:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/lOxd4

Klobuchar:
https://www.270towin.com/maps/ZAGKo. Her George Floyd-related baggage would cause black turnout to absolutely crater, though she'd definitely get the home state bump in Minnesota.

You think Mayor Pete would lose MN?

Yeah. He was really not a good candidate.

Yah but MN seemed to be really strong for the Dems this year, so I think he narrowly still wins it.
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2020, 07:55:48 PM »

Bloomberg might win (and more narrowly than Biden if he does) but no one else stood a chance.
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2020, 08:01:08 PM »

I'm gonna get some hate for these maps but -

Bernie: https://www.270towin.com/maps/pWrDl.png

Warren: https://www.270towin.com/maps/OZGLZ.png

Bloomberg: https://www.270towin.com/maps/z48wK.png

Mayor Pete (most electable candidate): https://www.270towin.com/maps/EWGbm.png

Klobuchar: https://www.270towin.com/maps/9x0gw.png

Also bonuses -

Yang (most electable candidate): https://www.270towin.com/maps/mQgxw.png

Tulsi: https://www.270towin.com/maps/jO3yx.png
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2020, 08:03:30 PM »

Bernie - probably loses, but maybe barely wins thanks to enthusiasm
Warren - almost certainly loses
Bloomberg - probably wins with a similar map to Biden, but there's some pretty large error bars on that
Buttigieg - probably wins, but narrower. Ironically Trump's deemphasizing homophobia might cost him the election
Klobuchar - probably wins a close one, but it would help show how big of an effect sexism has, since she doesn't have Hillary's baggage.

Overall, Biden was the best choice, with only Bloomberg also being a fairly safe bet to win.
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2020, 08:20:18 PM »

Never in a million years would Sanders have picked Gillibrand as his VP, and if he had he clearly would've lost. With a strategic pick like Tammy Baldwin, he would've also carried WI+MI, and probably AZ due to regional strengths of his. He would have very narrowly won the election, and probably would have lost PA and would've lost FL by an even greater margin.

Buttigieg and Klobuchar both also could've won this election. Warren and Bloomberg would have both lost; they're extremely weak national candidates and both would have had trouble hanging on in most battlegrounds.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2020, 08:23:07 PM »

Bernie-probably loses
Warren-definitely would have lost
Bloomberg-definitely would have lost
Buttigieg-not sure but think he loses
Klobuchar-might have won, but had weaknesses so could easily have lost

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2020, 08:33:39 PM »

Bernie — Loses 289-249
Warren — Loses 311-227
Bloomberg — Loses 295-243
Buttigieg — Same map as Warren
Klobuchar — Wins 273-265

Biden was the best candidate electorally and it's not up for debate IMO
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2020, 09:00:36 PM »

From most electable to least:

1. Sanders: Loses AZ and GA for sure and does worse in FL and NC. That said I could see him eeking out a win by flipping MI back and narrowly flipping back PA and WI. I could also see him narrowly losing PA and WI, and thus losing the election to. It all depends on how much WWC votes Bernie can take from Trump, what the suburbs do, as I know they won't back Bernie the way they did Biden, and how minority turnout is. Sanders likely does better with non Cuban latinos, but does he stay the same as Biden with black voters or does he do worse?

2. Klobuchar: Could see her narrowly winning AZ and NE 2,  and flipping back the Rust Belt due to anti Trump suburbanites, but I can also see black turnout plummeting after George Floyd's death with her at the top of the ticket and thus PA, WI, and MI would go to Trump. Does as bad as Biden in FL and likely does as bad in NC.  If George Floyd's death is somehow butterflied with Amy being the nominee instead of Biden, so long as she doesn't let Trump get under her skin in the debates, I could see her pulling it off. If not, she's toast. She's below Bernie because of name recognition and the fact that Bernie and generate at least some excitement around his candidacy.

3. Warren: Take a majority of Bernie's negatives and the same Massachusetts liberal/ivory tower elite stuff that sunk Dukakis and Kerry and you have a Warren candidacy. It pains me to rank her this low because I think she'd have made the best President of the final 6, but she can be preachy, Trump would have a field day with the "Pocahontas" stuff and would have an easy time getting under her skin on the debate stage. She has what it takes to be a good President but doesn't have what it takes to win the Presidency. She'd flip MI by the skin of her teeth and holds (though in the case of NV, very narrowly) all the Hillary 2016 states, but loses everything else.

4. Bloomberg: There's no way in hell black voters are turning out for Mayor "Stop and Frisk" and working class people of all colors aren't voting for Mr. "Soda Tax."  He'll do better with affluent suburbanites so that might help him in AZ and may even tip NC, and narrow the gap in FL, but the Rust belt would be gone and GA would be to due to significantly depressed black turnout.

5. Buttigieg: I can see all other candidates, even the one I despise (Bloomberg) improving on Hillary in one form or another, I just can't see it with Pete. He has all the problems of Bloomberg and Klobuchar when it comes to minority voters, black voters in particular, it'd be easy to paint him as a flip flopper, as he ran on a very liberal platform when he ran for DNC chair and started his campaign pretty far left, only to pivot dead center for the sake of political gain, and as unfortunate as it is to say, I just think there are too many people, even some in the Democratic party, that just aren't ready to elect a gay man President. Pete would've never given me pause the way someone like Bloomberg would have, but I see him underperforming in all demographics that count when it comes to a Democratic victory and thus I see a carbon copy of the 2016 map.
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2020, 09:11:51 PM »

Bernie; Wins 290-248
Warren; Wins 270-268
Buttigieg; Loses 306-232
Bloomberg; Loses 294-244
Klobuchar-Loses 326-212
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2020, 09:23:20 PM »


I laugh whenever someone says something like this. He has a rabid online fanbase but appeals to no one
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2020, 09:25:25 PM »

In hindsight, most probably would've narrowly lost but it's impossible to say. Yang and Bloomberg are wildcards though, I feel like they both had potential to win big but also blunder big time.
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2020, 09:30:35 PM »

Biden was definitely the strongest candidate, though I think Sanders would also pull out a win with everything but Georgia. The only place in the Rust Belt he’d do a noticeably worse than Biden in is Lackawanna, and I don’t think that’d be enough for Trump to make the difference. Regarding AZ, Bernie would also perform slightly worse in white Maricopa suburbs but better with Latinos so it would balance out.

In Warren’s case it really depends on how she campaigns. I don’t think she’s necessarily the doomed candidate some others think she was, but she could easily have screwed it up.

Klobuchar is a decent candidate on paper, it depends on how the George Floyd situation goes and how much she loses ground due to that. If she wins it’s definitely with the 278 freiwal.

No one likes Bloomberg lol, he’s just left-wing Trump if Trump was extremely boring. No chance. And Mayor Pete would similarly have no chance, he has no minority appeal and really is only popular with the solid-D Hillary voters.

But ultimately, there is no way of knowing for sure. There are loads of things that could have happened in the 6 months between the end of primary season and the November election that could tilt the results in any of these candidates’ favor, or in the opposite direction. After all, most of us got the 2020 results wrong in terms of margins and states won. Politics is a very unpredictable thing.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2020, 09:45:59 PM »
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I laugh whenever someone says something like this. He has a rabid online fanbase but appeals to no one
Thing with Yang is tho, when polls say he has a say, 47% favourability rating, that means 47% of the country knows who he is.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2020, 10:01:38 PM »

Why do people think Bloomberg would have done well?
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2020, 10:15:24 PM »

Bloomberg would have lost by 400+ EV, especially after George Floyd. The guy had negative charisma and his record is horrible. He would have completely depressed progressive turnout.
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2020, 10:18:24 PM »

Why do people think Bloomberg would have done well?

1.  Moderate technocratic image could be ideal for the year of COVID
2. Willingness to spend an infinite amount of money
3. Business/entrepreneurial background blunts Trump's message re: socialism
4. NYC mayor background blunts Trump's message re: law and order (though this could be a double-edged sword for Dem base turnout, if he loses, that's how)
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2020, 11:42:07 PM »

Bloomberg probably would have come the closest to matching Biden's performance.  I definitely think that in addition to the states on the Bloomberg map above, Bloomberg would have won Pennsylvania and Michigan.  He probably would have also done a bit better in Florida though I don't think he'd win it. 

I suspect Bloomberg's strategy would have been more focused on turnout than mass appeal.  Which makes me wonder if he had been the nominee and invested gobs of money on turnout, if Dems would have done better down ballot. 
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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2020, 11:46:45 PM »

Bernie - win, probably gets more D senators than "Mr. Electable."
Warren - tossup
Bootyjugs/Klobs/Bloomberg - lean R
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2020, 12:16:22 AM »













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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2020, 12:39:51 AM »

No one likes Mini Mike. You thought Biden's numbers with minorities were bad? You ain't seen nothing yet.
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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2020, 12:48:44 AM »


Huh? I mean, he obviously had more minority appeal than anyone else in the field. Probably nobody could hit HRC's numbers let alone Obama's.
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