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« on: November 27, 2020, 01:34:16 PM »
« edited: November 29, 2020, 01:57:20 PM by Guy »

My guess would be the below list. Please correct me if I'm confirmed wrong on any or share your thoughts if you disagree on any unconfirmed votes.
1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Thurmond
1952: Stevenson
1956: Stevenson
1960: Kennedy
1964: Goldwater
1968: Wallace
1972: Nixon Abstained
1976: Carter
1980: Carter
1984: Reagan  Mondale
1988: Bush  Dukakis
1992: Bush
1996: Dole

To my knowledge, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1976, 1992, 1996 are votes he confirmed. 1940, 1944, 1948, 1952, 1956, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988 is my speculation.

I have edited 1972, 1984, and 1988, as new information given by people below have changed my theories.
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2020, 02:34:50 PM »

He didn’t vote for Reagan , and he pretty much called Reagan out too .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/sept98/wallace090591.htm

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He also talked about the politics of race across America, saying Ronald Reagan had used tactics of divisiveness to install "a tax structure that is the most crippling system in the country... . The rich got richer while the poor and the middle class didn't get anything at all."

Also Reagan had one of his outspoken supporters run against him in 1982 too as well

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forging a populist coalition that dashed the hopes of his Republican opponent, Mayor Emory Folmar of Montgomery, an outspoken supporter of President Reagan. The Vote Tally

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/03/us/wallace-captures-4th-term-as-governor-of-alabama.html



I highly doubt he voted for HW in 1988 either given he tried to use his influence in the 1988 primaries not just with conservative democrats but with democratic candidates in general .

www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-07-21-8702230250-story,amp.html



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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2020, 03:07:25 PM »

I thought he voted straight D with the exception of himself in 1968.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2020, 08:40:38 PM »

He didn’t vote for Reagan , and he pretty much called Reagan out too .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/sept98/wallace090591.htm

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He also talked about the politics of race across America, saying Ronald Reagan had used tactics of divisiveness to install "a tax structure that is the most crippling system in the country... . The rich got richer while the poor and the middle class didn't get anything at all."

Also Reagan had one of his outspoken supporters run against him in 1982 too as well

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forging a populist coalition that dashed the hopes of his Republican opponent, Mayor Emory Folmar of Montgomery, an outspoken supporter of President Reagan. The Vote Tally

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/03/us/wallace-captures-4th-term-as-governor-of-alabama.html



I highly doubt he voted for HW in 1988 either given he tried to use his influence in the 1988 primaries not just with conservative democrats but with democratic candidates in general .

www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-07-21-8702230250-story,amp.html





Huh, I did not know about this? I find it extremely weird that he would vote for liberal Northerners Mondale and Dukakis but not voted for centrist southerner Bill Clinton? If he was loyal enough to vote against Reagan 1984 and Bush 1988, then why would he have then switched?
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2020, 08:45:05 PM »

My guess would be the below list. Please correct me if I'm confirmed wrong on any or share your thoughts if you disagree on any unconfirmed votes.
1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Thurmond
1952: Stevenson
1956: Stevenson
1960: Kennedy
1964: Goldwater
1968: Wallace
1972: Nixon
1976: Carter
1980: Carter
1984: Reagan
1988: Bush
1992: Bush
1996: Dole

To my knowledge, 1960, 1964, 1968, 1976, 1992, 1996 are votes he confirmed. 1940, 1944, 1948, 1952, 1956, 1972, 1980, 1984, 1988 is my speculation.

48 is all but confirmed. Thurmond won by 61 points against dewey and all but one county. Same with 40 and 44
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2020, 09:22:14 PM »

He didn’t vote for Reagan , and he pretty much called Reagan out too .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/sept98/wallace090591.htm

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He also talked about the politics of race across America, saying Ronald Reagan had used tactics of divisiveness to install "a tax structure that is the most crippling system in the country... . The rich got richer while the poor and the middle class didn't get anything at all."

Also Reagan had one of his outspoken supporters run against him in 1982 too as well

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forging a populist coalition that dashed the hopes of his Republican opponent, Mayor Emory Folmar of Montgomery, an outspoken supporter of President Reagan. The Vote Tally

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/03/us/wallace-captures-4th-term-as-governor-of-alabama.html



I highly doubt he voted for HW in 1988 either given he tried to use his influence in the 1988 primaries not just with conservative democrats but with democratic candidates in general .

www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-07-21-8702230250-story,amp.html





Huh, I did not know about this? I find it extremely weird that he would vote for liberal Northerners Mondale and Dukakis but not voted for centrist southerner Bill Clinton? If he was loyal enough to vote against Reagan 1984 and Bush 1988, then why would he have then switched?

Probably he personally disliked Clinton or personally liked Dole . When it comes to prominent politicians that does turn out to be a factor as well
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2020, 08:13:25 PM »

He didn’t vote for Reagan , and he pretty much called Reagan out too .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/sept98/wallace090591.htm

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He also talked about the politics of race across America, saying Ronald Reagan had used tactics of divisiveness to install "a tax structure that is the most crippling system in the country... . The rich got richer while the poor and the middle class didn't get anything at all."

Also Reagan had one of his outspoken supporters run against him in 1982 too as well

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forging a populist coalition that dashed the hopes of his Republican opponent, Mayor Emory Folmar of Montgomery, an outspoken supporter of President Reagan. The Vote Tally

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/03/us/wallace-captures-4th-term-as-governor-of-alabama.html



I highly doubt he voted for HW in 1988 either given he tried to use his influence in the 1988 primaries not just with conservative democrats but with democratic candidates in general .

www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-07-21-8702230250-story,amp.html





Huh, I did not know about this? I find it extremely weird that he would vote for liberal Northerners Mondale and Dukakis but not voted for centrist southerner Bill Clinton? If he was loyal enough to vote against Reagan 1984 and Bush 1988, then why would he have then switched?

Dunno about Dukakis or no, but Mondale was attached to Carter, even in '84.
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2020, 01:01:50 AM »

He didn’t vote for Reagan , and he pretty much called Reagan out too .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/sept98/wallace090591.htm

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He also talked about the politics of race across America, saying Ronald Reagan had used tactics of divisiveness to install "a tax structure that is the most crippling system in the country... . The rich got richer while the poor and the middle class didn't get anything at all."

Also Reagan had one of his outspoken supporters run against him in 1982 too as well

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forging a populist coalition that dashed the hopes of his Republican opponent, Mayor Emory Folmar of Montgomery, an outspoken supporter of President Reagan. The Vote Tally

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/03/us/wallace-captures-4th-term-as-governor-of-alabama.html



I highly doubt he voted for HW in 1988 either given he tried to use his influence in the 1988 primaries not just with conservative democrats but with democratic candidates in general .

www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-07-21-8702230250-story,amp.html





When you said "He didn't vote for Reagan", is that something that is 100 percent confirmed or jsut your speculating? Its a very reasonable assumption considering his Reagan criticism, but I would like to know if it is actually a confirmed fact.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2020, 02:15:13 AM »

He didn’t vote for Reagan , and he pretty much called Reagan out too .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/sept98/wallace090591.htm

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He also talked about the politics of race across America, saying Ronald Reagan had used tactics of divisiveness to install "a tax structure that is the most crippling system in the country... . The rich got richer while the poor and the middle class didn't get anything at all."

Also Reagan had one of his outspoken supporters run against him in 1982 too as well

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forging a populist coalition that dashed the hopes of his Republican opponent, Mayor Emory Folmar of Montgomery, an outspoken supporter of President Reagan. The Vote Tally

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/03/us/wallace-captures-4th-term-as-governor-of-alabama.html



I highly doubt he voted for HW in 1988 either given he tried to use his influence in the 1988 primaries not just with conservative democrats but with democratic candidates in general .

www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-07-21-8702230250-story,amp.html





When you said "He didn't vote for Reagan", is that something that is 100 percent confirmed or jsut your speculating? Its a very reasonable assumption considering his Reagan criticism, but I would like to know if it is actually a confirmed fact.

It’s speculating but it’s pretty clear from the quotes he didn’t and given he still wanted to have party influence he almost certainly did not
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2020, 02:46:35 AM »

He didn’t vote for Reagan , and he pretty much called Reagan out too .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/sept98/wallace090591.htm

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He also talked about the politics of race across America, saying Ronald Reagan had used tactics of divisiveness to install "a tax structure that is the most crippling system in the country... . The rich got richer while the poor and the middle class didn't get anything at all."

Also Reagan had one of his outspoken supporters run against him in 1982 too as well

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forging a populist coalition that dashed the hopes of his Republican opponent, Mayor Emory Folmar of Montgomery, an outspoken supporter of President Reagan. The Vote Tally

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/03/us/wallace-captures-4th-term-as-governor-of-alabama.html



I highly doubt he voted for HW in 1988 either given he tried to use his influence in the 1988 primaries not just with conservative democrats but with democratic candidates in general .

www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-07-21-8702230250-story,amp.html





When you said "He didn't vote for Reagan", is that something that is 100 percent confirmed or jsut your speculating? Its a very reasonable assumption considering his Reagan criticism, but I would like to know if it is actually a confirmed fact.

It’s speculating but it’s pretty clear from the quotes he didn’t and given he still wanted to have party influence he almost certainly did not
Thanks for the clarification. Who do you think Wallace voted for in 1972? He was extremely critical of McGovern's platform and had voted for Goldwater in 1964 and ran 3rd party in 1968. It seems to me that he did not feel loyal to the national party at the time, so he had no reason to vote for McGovern. Because of this, I assumed he voted Nixon, but I am now thinking that he maybe didnt vote for either. Thoughts?
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2020, 03:34:22 AM »

He didn’t vote for Reagan , and he pretty much called Reagan out too .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/daily/sept98/wallace090591.htm

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He also talked about the politics of race across America, saying Ronald Reagan had used tactics of divisiveness to install "a tax structure that is the most crippling system in the country... . The rich got richer while the poor and the middle class didn't get anything at all."

Also Reagan had one of his outspoken supporters run against him in 1982 too as well

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forging a populist coalition that dashed the hopes of his Republican opponent, Mayor Emory Folmar of Montgomery, an outspoken supporter of President Reagan. The Vote Tally

https://www.nytimes.com/1982/11/03/us/wallace-captures-4th-term-as-governor-of-alabama.html



I highly doubt he voted for HW in 1988 either given he tried to use his influence in the 1988 primaries not just with conservative democrats but with democratic candidates in general .

www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1987-07-21-8702230250-story,amp.html





When you said "He didn't vote for Reagan", is that something that is 100 percent confirmed or jsut your speculating? Its a very reasonable assumption considering his Reagan criticism, but I would like to know if it is actually a confirmed fact.

It’s speculating but it’s pretty clear from the quotes he didn’t and given he still wanted to have party influence he almost certainly did not
Thanks for the clarification. Who do you think Wallace voted for in 1972? He was extremely critical of McGovern's platform and had voted for Goldwater in 1964 and ran 3rd party in 1968. It seems to me that he did not feel loyal to the national party at the time, so he had no reason to vote for McGovern. Because of this, I assumed he voted Nixon, but I am now thinking that he maybe didnt vote for either. Thoughts?


Well Wallace of the 1980s was pretty different from Wallace in 1972 so I think he voted for Nixon in 72
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2020, 01:23:02 PM »

1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Truman
1952: Stevenson
1956: Stevenson
1960: Kennedy
1964: Unpledged Democratic Electors
1968: McGovern
1972: Nixon
1976: Carter
1980: Carter
1984: Mondale
1988: Dukakis
1992: Clinton
1996: Dole

According to (I believe) Wallace by Marshall Frady, Wallace was a pro-Truman, anti-bolting Alabama Democrat in 1948.  That book verified that Wallace gave $500 to the Kennedy campaign in 1960.  In 1968, Alabama's "Rooster" Democratic Party (the emblem of the official Democratic Party) named unpledged electors.  (IIRC, the "Eagle" Democratic Party, the National Democratic Party of Alabama, a predominantly black party, named their electors for Humphrey/Muskie.) 

Wallace likely voted for McGovern in 1972, although he did not endorse him and did not stated that he voted for him.  McGovern put some effort into getting Wallace's endorsement in 1972; he and Wallace were surprisingly friendly, and he was also friendly with Cornelia Wallace.  Wallace told McGovern that he "(wished him) all the best" but pointed out that if he endorsed McGovern not only would his supporters be upset and bolt him (Wallace), McGovern's supporters would likely be quite upset if McGovern accepted such an endorsement and jump ship.  (McGovern's response was to reluctantly agree.)  Wallace hated Nixon; Nixon sought to beat him in the 1970 Democratic Primary for Alabama Governor and sent his Justice Department to investigate his brother and his close aides.  Wallace also believed (rightly or wrongly) that Nixon was behind his assassination attempt.

I suspect that Wallace voted for Clinton in 1992, but not 1996.  It was after 1992 that the Democratic Party, once and for all, hitched its wagon to social liberalism that would never be popular in Alabama.
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2020, 01:52:10 PM »

1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Truman
1952: Stevenson
1956: Stevenson
1960: Kennedy
1964: Unpledged Democratic Electors
1968: McGovern
1972: Nixon
1976: Carter
1980: Carter
1984: Mondale
1988: Dukakis
1992: Clinton
1996: Dole

According to (I believe) Wallace by Marshall Frady, Wallace was a pro-Truman, anti-bolting Alabama Democrat in 1948.  That book verified that Wallace gave $500 to the Kennedy campaign in 1960.  In 1968, Alabama's "Rooster" Democratic Party (the emblem of the official Democratic Party) named unpledged electors.  (IIRC, the "Eagle" Democratic Party, the National Democratic Party of Alabama, a predominantly black party, named their electors for Humphrey/Muskie.) 

Wallace likely voted for McGovern in 1972, although he did not endorse him and did not stated that he voted for him.  McGovern put some effort into getting Wallace's endorsement in 1972; he and Wallace were surprisingly friendly, and he was also friendly with Cornelia Wallace.  Wallace told McGovern that he "(wished him) all the best" but pointed out that if he endorsed McGovern not only would his supporters be upset and bolt him (Wallace), McGovern's supporters would likely be quite upset if McGovern accepted such an endorsement and jump ship.  (McGovern's response was to reluctantly agree.)  Wallace hated Nixon; Nixon sought to beat him in the 1970 Democratic Primary for Alabama Governor and sent his Justice Department to investigate his brother and his close aides.  Wallace also believed (rightly or wrongly) that Nixon was behind his assassination attempt.

I suspect that Wallace voted for Clinton in 1992, but not 1996.  It was after 1992 that the Democratic Party, once and for all, hitched its wagon to social liberalism that would never be popular in Alabama.
In 1948 in Alabama, Thurmond was the official Democratic candidate, and Truman was not even on the ballat. So Wallace must have voted for Thurmond or astained even if he was personally pro-Truman. Also, it is confirmed that Wallace voted GOP in both 1992 and 1996 in this interview: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1891&dat=19950916&id=acIfAAAAIBAJ&pg=2447,1516586
Wallace also did support Goldwater in 1964: https://www.nytimes.com/1964/08/16/archives/goldwater-gets-backing-in-south-govs-faubus-wallace-and-johnson-to.html

My current theory on 1972 is that Wallace didn't vote for McGovern or Nixon. He strongly disagreed with McGovern on social issues just as he did with Johnson and Humphrey, who he also did not vote for. So I see no reason why the Wallace of 1972, who felt no loyality to the national party, would have felt the need to vote for McGovern.

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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2020, 02:08:21 PM »

1940: Roosevelt
1944: Roosevelt
1948: Truman
1952: Stevenson
1956: Stevenson
1960: Kennedy
1964: Unpledged Democratic Electors
1968: McGovern
1972: Nixon
1976: Carter
1980: Carter
1984: Mondale
1988: Dukakis
1992: Clinton
1996: Dole

According to (I believe) Wallace by Marshall Frady, Wallace was a pro-Truman, anti-bolting Alabama Democrat in 1948.  That book verified that Wallace gave $500 to the Kennedy campaign in 1960.  In 1968, Alabama's "Rooster" Democratic Party (the emblem of the official Democratic Party) named unpledged electors.  (IIRC, the "Eagle" Democratic Party, the National Democratic Party of Alabama, a predominantly black party, named their electors for Humphrey/Muskie.) 

Wallace likely voted for McGovern in 1972, although he did not endorse him and did not stated that he voted for him.  McGovern put some effort into getting Wallace's endorsement in 1972; he and Wallace were surprisingly friendly, and he was also friendly with Cornelia Wallace.  Wallace told McGovern that he "(wished him) all the best" but pointed out that if he endorsed McGovern not only would his supporters be upset and bolt him (Wallace), McGovern's supporters would likely be quite upset if McGovern accepted such an endorsement and jump ship.  (McGovern's response was to reluctantly agree.)  Wallace hated Nixon; Nixon sought to beat him in the 1970 Democratic Primary for Alabama Governor and sent his Justice Department to investigate his brother and his close aides.  Wallace also believed (rightly or wrongly) that Nixon was behind his assassination attempt.

I suspect that Wallace voted for Clinton in 1992, but not 1996.  It was after 1992 that the Democratic Party, once and for all, hitched its wagon to social liberalism that would never be popular in Alabama.
In 1948 in Alabama, Thurmond was the official Democratic candidate, and Truman was not even on the ballat. So Wallace must have voted for Thurmond or astained even if he was personally pro-Truman. Also, it is confirmed that Wallace voted GOP in both 1992 and 1996 in this interview: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1891&dat=19950916&id=acIfAAAAIBAJ&pg=2447,1516586
Wallace also did support Goldwater in 1964: https://www.nytimes.com/1964/08/16/archives/goldwater-gets-backing-in-south-govs-faubus-wallace-and-johnson-to.html

My current theory on 1972 is that Wallace didn't vote for McGovern or Nixon. He strongly disagreed with McGovern on social issues just as he did with Johnson and Humphrey, who he also did not vote for. So I see no reason why the Wallace of 1972, who felt no loyality to the national party, would have felt the need to vote for McGovern.

My theory on Wallace privately voting for McGovern in 1972 is solely because of the grudge he held toward Nixon.  Wallace respected the fact that his supporters overwhelmingly voted for Nixon, but he hated him for personal reasons.  Wallace was a natural recruit for John Connally's "Democrats for Nixon".  He had already bolted the Democratic Party once and he could have been the Strom Thurmond of Alabama.  He could have turned Alabama Republican in a minute and he would have had the bulk of the Alabama Democratic Party walk with him.  He didn't do that, however, and it begs the question why.  One reason, I do believe, is that Wallace hated Nixon, personally and deeply, even though he kept it to himself.
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2020, 05:32:55 PM »
« Edited: November 29, 2020, 09:25:59 PM by jingletoes »

According to John G Schmitz, the American Independent Party candidate in 1972, Wallace Supported Nixon.

"Sure. But he was still Governor of Alabama and he still had a lot of roads and bridges
that the federal government was still subsidizing and he still was playing the political
game of what was good for him and for Alabama. Wallace supported Nixon. He did not
support me. I met George Wallace after the campaign and I think he, I don't know if he
resented me. I think there was a friction there. I had met him, by the way, when he came
to campaign in 1968. I was a state senator and he came to Sacramento. I was the only
state legislator that came to visit him when he was up there. Later, after the 1972 election
I visited him and I said, 'You know, I beat you in one state,' from his '68 showing. He
said, 'Yeah I know, Utah.' (Laughter) Can you imagine that he knew that'? Yeah, I told
you I did well among Mormons. In one state I got a better vote than he did and he
brought that back at me, 'Yeah. Utah.'"

http://www.johngschmitz.com/_files/koplinski.pdf
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2020, 05:45:14 PM »

According to John G Schmitz, the American Independent Party candidate in 1972, Wallace Supported Nixon.

"Sure. But he was still Governor of Alabama and he still had a lot of roads and bridges
that the federal government was still subsidizing and he still was playing the political
game of what was good for him and for Alabama. Wallace supported Nixon. He did not
support me. I met George Wallace after the campaign and I think he, I don't know if he
resented me. I think there was a friction there. I had met him, by the way, when he came
to campaign in 1968. I was a state senator and he came to Sacramento. I was the only
state legislator that came to visit him when he was up there. Later, after the 1972 election
I visited him and I said, 'You know, I beat you in one state,' from his '68 showing. He
said, 'Yeah I know, Utah.' (Laughter) Can you imagine that he knew that'? Yeah, I told
you I did well among Mormons. In one state I got a better vote than he did and he
brought that back at me, 'Yeah. Utah.'"

johngschmitz.com/_files/koplinski.pdf
Dang, it looks like Wallace did support Nixon in 1972 after all. Not terribly surprising.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2020, 06:07:49 PM »

George Wallace said that he had voted for Bush in '92 and that he was going to vote for Dole in '96: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1891&dat=19950916&id=acIfAAAAIBAJ&pg=2447,1516586
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