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« on: November 26, 2020, 02:35:53 AM »

Thanks for bringing this up.

This is a long standing issue of importance to me; this act to put it rather simply puts a set of controls for the export of both lethal and non-lethal arms, along with military/counter-terror training

For too long our foreign policy has basically been focused on a extremely short-term and reactionary basis; we sell arms to a country based on who they Border (see Iraq in the 1980s, which irrc included giving geo-locations for chemical attacks & see the billions of Iranian weaponary used against Atlasia interests which we sold them!) I do honestly believe that it will lead to better outcomes for us if we use these measures.

I think if you use a human rights basis & these 5 principles it clearly sets a line; nations will know that they have to make changes (the act has a specific clause around nations demonstrating the need to reform) & will get pushed towards them; the response of 'well they're buy elsewhere' makes sense for smaller arms but if you've got a $15 billion jet proejct you can't just rip out the computers/targeting software.

I will admit that the list of countries is not exhaustive or limited; I did it as a quick addition to the bill & am more than happy to more to be added/removed.

And finally this bill creates activity!
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2020, 05:08:18 PM »

Any other thoughts, comments, concerns, questions, amendments?

Or Final vote time?

Usually as the sponsor I'm pushing for a final vote but this is honestly a bill where I'd welcome any suggestions or changes!
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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2020, 05:47:08 PM »

amendment is friendly- thanks Lumine, Yankee & Scott
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2020, 06:13:49 AM »


The recent conflict against Armenia has seen some pretty worrying actions & aggressions by Azerbaijan including allegations of cluster munitions being used against civilans.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2020, 04:56:07 PM »

Friendly; a bill I passed last year did suspend arms sales to Saudi Arabia (I'm 99% sure it had a sunset clause of two years though) but I'm happy to see it codified here too.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2020, 06:14:35 PM »

FWIW the act has two parts; one is that the SOS must certify that countries currently receiving arms meet the criteria while a hard & fast break is imposed on some countries right away & makes it harder for them to be lifted.

I acknowledge that it's always a tricky issue and one where we'll have different views; the hope is that this bill starts this discussion (as this debate has taught me more about our foreign policy)

I will be hoping to get a vote rolling sometime this week

Should Russia and North Korea be added? Saudi Arabia? There is a number of countries with communist or authoritarian governments that are undemocratic. If we're going to be consistent in our support for democracy and human rights, this list will be a mile long.

And although I personally believe democracy to be the best form of government, the cultural and tribal differences in some countries render democracy unworkable. Democracy would not work, and has never been tried, in countries like China and Saudi Arabia. We need to be humble in recognizing that instituting democracy throughout the world simply isn't feasible, and not the only measure of human rights.

My assumption was that Russia would not be getting arms sales so wouldn;t need to be on the list and would fall off the criteria.

On the second point I'd say that I'm not someone who believes that we shouldn't engage with these countries; I just don't believe we should be selling them arms and more particuarly arms that are used to repress their own people; we often hid behind exporting policing training which is then used to crush dissent in these countries.
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2020, 02:56:02 PM »

None from me
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2020, 07:12:29 PM »

I move for a final vote
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2020, 03:19:25 PM »

Aye
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