2024: Kamala Harris/Pete Buttigieg vs Mike Pence/Marco Rubio

[BigVic]

The battle of the Veeps in ‘24. Harris selects Mayor Pete and Pence selects Marco as running mates. Who wins? Discuss with maps

[bagelman]

Pence wins against the worst Democratic ticket since Mondale. It's not an overwhelming victory though, more like 2016 again with Democrats controlling at least one house of Congress.

[Alben Barkley]

Pence is an awful candidate. Most of the weaknesses of Trump with none of the strengths. Harris wins. Not a landslide, but she wins. Pete also is a better VP pick than Rubio, especially if he picks up some solid experience in the next four years.

[Kuumo]

Harris narrowly defeats Pence in a much lower turnout election than 2020.

Discuss with maps

Vice President Kamala Harris/Fmr. UN Ambassador Pete Buttigieg: ~290 EV, 50.8% PV
Fmr. Vice President Mike Pence/Senator Marco Rubio: ~248 EV, 47.5% PV

[NewYorkExpress]

Kamala Harris/Pete Buttigeig 51% roughly 289 EV
Mike Pence/Marco Rubio 48% roughly 249 EV

Before everyone freaks out about Kamala winning Indiana, remember, Pence was really unpopular there before he became VP. He might have actually lost his reelection campaign if Trump hadn't put him on the ticket.

[Kuumo]

Kamala Harris/Pete Buttigeig 51% 289 EV
Mike Pence/Marco Rubio 48% 249 EV

Before everyone freaks out about Kamala winning Indiana, remember, Pence was really unpopular there before he became VP. He might have actually lost his reelection campaign if Trump hadn't put him on the ticket.

It looks like Pete Buttigeig has the special ability to create the "Indiana 2008 redux" that Atlas is so obsessed with! Unfortunately, Pete Buttigieg probably doesn't have this special ability.

[Left Wing]

Kamala Harris/Pete Buttigeig 51% roughly 289 EV
Mike Pence/Marco Rubio 48% roughly 249 EV

Before everyone freaks out about Kamala winning Indiana, remember, Pence was really unpopular there before he became VP. He might have actually lost his reelection campaign if Trump hadn't put him on the ticket.

Yes, Pence was extremely unpopular and probably would have lost to Gregg, but that’s because Gregg is a great candidate for Indiana. Kamala can’t cut down the margins enough in rural Indiana to pull out a victory.

[Ritz]

Yes, Pence was extremely unpopular and probably would have lost to Gregg, but that’s because Gregg is a great candidate for Indiana. Kamala can’t cut down the margins enough in rural Indiana to pull out a victory.

I don't really get why it's become conventional wisdom that Pence would've lost when the polling showed him beating Gregg? Most of his leads against Holcomb were also because he had no name ID.

[Left Wing]

Yes, Pence was extremely unpopular and probably would have lost to Gregg, but that’s because Gregg is a great candidate for Indiana. Kamala can’t cut down the margins enough in rural Indiana to pull out a victory.

I don't really get why it's become conventional wisdom that Pence would've lost when the polling showed him beating Gregg? Most of his leads against Holcomb were also because he had no name ID.

Because everybody hated Pence in Indiana. I lived there when he was governor, every single person I met disliked him. The polls showing Pence leading had a high amount of undecideds who would have broke for Gregg.

[Alben Barkley]

Kamala Harris/Pete Buttigeig 51% roughly 289 EV
Mike Pence/Marco Rubio 48% roughly 249 EV

Before everyone freaks out about Kamala winning Indiana, remember, Pence was really unpopular there before he became VP. He might have actually lost his reelection campaign if Trump hadn't put him on the ticket.

...No.

[Ritz]

Yes, Pence was extremely unpopular and probably would have lost to Gregg, but that’s because Gregg is a great candidate for Indiana. Kamala can’t cut down the margins enough in rural Indiana to pull out a victory.

I don't really get why it's become conventional wisdom that Pence would've lost when the polling showed him beating Gregg? Most of his leads against Holcomb were also because he had no name ID.

Because everybody hated Pence in Indiana. I lived there when he was governor, every single person I met disliked him. The polls showing Pence leading had a high amount of undecideds who would have broke for Gregg.

Pence had a net even approval rating in late September and considering midwestern polling in 2016 and 2018 it was probably underestimating him more than anything.

[Left Wing]

Yes, Pence was extremely unpopular and probably would have lost to Gregg, but that’s because Gregg is a great candidate for Indiana. Kamala can’t cut down the margins enough in rural Indiana to pull out a victory.

I don't really get why it's become conventional wisdom that Pence would've lost when the polling showed him beating Gregg? Most of his leads against Holcomb were also because he had no name ID.

Because everybody hated Pence in Indiana. I lived there when he was governor, every single person I met disliked him. The polls showing Pence leading had a high amount of undecideds who would have broke for Gregg.

Pence had a net even approval rating in late September and considering midwestern polling in 2016 and 2018 it was probably underestimating him more than anything.

His approval went up because he was put on the ticket and Republicans felt like they had to like him.

[Ritz]

Yes, Pence was extremely unpopular and probably would have lost to Gregg, but that’s because Gregg is a great candidate for Indiana. Kamala can’t cut down the margins enough in rural Indiana to pull out a victory.

I don't really get why it's become conventional wisdom that Pence would've lost when the polling showed him beating Gregg? Most of his leads against Holcomb were also because he had no name ID.

Because everybody hated Pence in Indiana. I lived there when he was governor, every single person I met disliked him. The polls showing Pence leading had a high amount of undecideds who would have broke for Gregg.

Pence had a net even approval rating in late September and considering midwestern polling in 2016 and 2018 it was probably underestimating him more than anything.

His approval went up because he was put on the ticket and Republicans felt like they had to like him.

His approvals actually went down after getting on the ticket in the linked poll.

[Nightcore Nationalist]

Kuumo's map. 

Harris is not a strong candidate, but Pence is even weaker and Rubio isn't enough to save him.