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« on: November 20, 2020, 04:40:06 PM »
« edited: November 20, 2020, 04:59:00 PM by ElectionsGuy »

Full analysis of firms that did multiple states and the national race (not specific statewide pollsters like Marquette, EPIC-MRA, OHPI, DMR, etc.). Their poll first, then in paranthesis their error compared to the result. This is only taking a look at the swing states. Nevermind the red states with "competitive" Senate races, that they botched even harder. And this is only the presidential polls. It only includes their final poll, and only includes data back to September. Anything before that is not included. All results are rounded to the nearest whole number. I will update this thread is state results change (such as OH).

Trafalgar

AZ: Trump +3 (R+3)
FL: Trump +2 (D+1)
GA: Trump +5 (R+5)
MI: Trump +2 (R+5)
MN: Biden +3 (R+4)
NV: Trump +1 (R+4)
NC: Trump +2 (R+1)
OH: Trump +5 (D+3)
PA: Trump +2 (R+3)
WI: Biden +1 (0)

Average Error: 2.9
Average Partisan Error: R+2.1
538 Grade: C-

Quinnipiac

US: Biden +11 (D+7)
FL: Biden +5 (D+8)
GA: Biden +7 (D+7)
IA: Trump +1 (D+7)
ME: Biden +21 (D+12)
OH: Biden +4 (D+12)
SC: Trump +1 (D+11)
TX: Tie (D+6)

Average Error: 8.7
Average Partisan Error: D+8.7
538 Grade: B+

Susquehanna

AZ: Trump +1 (R+1)
FL: Trump +1 (D+2)
NC: Biden +2 (D+3)
PA: Trump +1 (R+2)
WI: Biden +3 (D+2)

Average Error: 2
Average Partisan Error: D+0.8
538 Grade: C

Monmouth

AZ: Biden +7 (D+7)
FL: Biden +6 (D+9)
GA: Biden +4 (D+4)
IA: Biden +3 (D+11)
NC: Biden +4 (D+5)
PA: Biden +7 (D+6)

Average Error: 7.0
Average Partisan Error: D+7.0
538 Grade: A+

NBC/Marist

US: Biden +11 (D+7)
AZ: Tie (0)
FL: Biden +4 (D+7)
MI: Biden +8 (D+5)
NC: Biden +6 (D+7)
PA: Biden +5 (D+4)
WI: Biden +10 (D+9)

Average Error: 5.3
Average Partisan Error: D+5.3
538 Grade: A+

Fox News

US: Biden +8 (D+4)
MI: Biden +12 (D+9)
NV: Biden +11 (D+8)
OH: Trump +3 (D+5)
PA: Biden +5 (D+4)
WI: Biden +5 (D+4)

Average Error: 5.7
Average Partisan Error: D+5.7
538 Grade: A-

CNN

US: Biden +12 (D+8)
AZ: Biden +4 (D+4)
MI: Biden +12 (D+9)
NC: Biden +6 (D+7)
PA: Biden +10 (D+9)
WI: Biden +8 (D+7)

Average Error: 7.3
Average Partisan Error: D+7.3
538 Grade: B+

ABC/Washington Post

US: Biden +12 (D+8)
AZ: Trump +1 (R+1)
FL: Trump +2 (D+1)
MI: Biden +7 (D+4)
MN: Biden +16 (D+9)
PA: Biden +7 (D+6)
WI: Biden +17 (D+16)

Average Error: 6.4
Average Partisan Error: D+6.3
538 Grade: A+

NYT/Siena

US: Biden +9 (D+5)
AZ: Biden +6 (D+6)
FL: Biden +3 (D+6)
GA: Tie (0)
IA: Biden +3 (D+11)
ME: Biden +17 (D+8)
MI: Biden +8 (D+5)
MN: Biden +9 (D+2)
NV: Biden +6 (D+3)
NH: Biden +3 (R+4)
NC: Biden +3 (D+4)
OH: Biden +1 (D+9)
PA: Biden +6 (D+5)
SC: Trump +8 (D+4)
TX: Trump +4 (D+2)
WI: Biden +11 (D+10)

Average Error: 5.3
Average Partisan Error: D+5.0
538 Grade: A+

Emerson

US: Biden +5 (D+1)
AZ: Biden +2 (D+2)
FL: Biden +6 (D+9)
GA: Trump +1 (R+1)
IA: Trump +1 (D+7)
ME: Biden +11 (D+2)
MI: Biden +7 (D+4)
NV: Biden +2 (R+1)
NH: Biden +7 (0)
NC: Tie (D+1)
OH: Biden +1 (D+9)
PA: Biden +4 (D+3)
TX: Tie (D+6)
WI: Biden +8 (D+7)

Average Error: 3.8
Average Partisan Error: D+3.6
538 Grade: A-

CNBC/Change Research

US: Biden +10 (D+6)
AZ: Biden +3 (D+3)
FL: Biden +3 (D+6)
MI: Biden +7 (D+4)
NC: Biden +2 (D+3)
PA: Biden +4 (D+3)
WI: Biden +8 (D+7)

Average Error: 4.6
Average Partisan Error: D+4.6
538 Grade: C-

Reuters/Ipsos

US: Biden +7 (D+3)
AZ: Biden +2 (D+2)
FL: Biden +4 (D+7)
MI: Biden +10 (D+7)
NC: Biden +1 (D+2)
PA: Biden +6 (D+5)
WI: Biden +10 (D+9)

Average Error: 5.0
Average Partisan Error: D+5.0
538 Grade: B-

CBS/Yougov

AZ: Biden +3 (D+3)
FL: Biden +2 (D+5)
GA: Tie (0)
IA: Tie (D+8)
MI: Biden +6 (D+3)
MN: Biden +9 (D+2)
NV: Biden +6 (D+3)
NC: Biden +4 (D+5)
OH: Tie (D+8)
SC: Trump +10 (D+2)
TX: Trump +2 (D+4)
WI: Biden +5 (D+4)

Average Error: 3.9
Average Partisan Error: D+3.9
538 Grade: B

The Hill/HarrisX

US: Biden +4 (0)
FL: Biden +3 (D+6)
MI: Biden +11 (D+8)
NC: Biden +1 (D+2)
PA: Biden +5 (D+4)

Average Error: 4
Average Partisan Error: D+4.0
538 Grade: C

Rasmussen

US: Biden +1 (R+3)
AZ: Trump +4 (R+4)
FL: Biden +1 (D+4)
MI: Biden +8 (D+5)
NV: Biden +1 (R+2)
NH: Biden +14 (D+7)
NC: Trump +1 (0)
OH: Trump +4 (D+4)
PA: Biden +3 (D+2)
TX: Trump +7 (R+1)
WI: Biden +8 (D+7)

Average Error: 3.5
Average Partisan Error: D+1.7
538 Grade: C+

USA Today/Suffolk

US: Biden +8 (D+4)
AZ: Biden +4 (D+4)
MN: Biden +7 (0)
PA: Biden +7 (D+6)

Average Error: 3.5
Average Partisan Error: D+3.5
538 Grade: A

SurveyUSA

US: Biden +8 (D+4)
GA: Biden +2 (D+2)
MN: Biden +5 (R+2)
NC: Tie (D+1)

Average Error: 2.3
Average Partisan Error: D+1.8
538 Grade: A

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538 Grade: B

InsiderAdvantage

FL: Trump +1 (D+2)
GA: Trump +2 (R+2)
IA: Trump +2 (D+6)
MI: Biden +2 (R+1)
NC: Trump +4 (R+3)
PA: Trump +2 (R+3)

Average Error: 2.8
Average Partisan Error: R+0.2
538 Grade: B-

So, as you can see, the least accurate pollsters of the cycle are the most well regarded by 538 and the general election community for being "high-quality" and "reputable". The most accurate pollsters, regarded as "right-wing", are declared to be fake, fraudelent, and undeserving of even being considered (Susquehanna, Trafalgar, Rasmussen, and InsiderAdvantage).

Trafalgar, after all the abuse they took for months, turns out to be more accurate than almost every single other pollster. Even though they do have a Republican bias, which should be noted. SurveyUSA, Susquehanna, Emerson, and CBS/Yougov didn't do that bad either. But the others... Nate Cohn's NYT/Siena, Monmouth, Quinnipiac, ABC/WaPo, Fox News, Marist, all were off on average 5 points or more. A complete disaster. Hopefully this is a wake up call for future elections, this is not going to get any better unless there is honesty and introspection about why this has happened and has been happening. But if history repeats itself and we find ourselves in one years time believing all the polls from supposed high-quality pollsters like they're gospel again, then we just want to believe what confirms what we want to happen. And we'll continue being wrong about elections, always overestimating Democrats, election after election.
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2020, 04:43:57 PM »

I will use Rasmussen and Trafalgar from now on.
Even if they are wrong and have an R bias next cycle, why disappoint yourself?
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2020, 04:47:35 PM »

I will use Rasmussen and Trafalgar from now on.
Even if they are wrong and have an R bias next cycle, why disappoint yourself?

No rasmussen is just random trash.
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2020, 05:00:17 PM »

I will use Rasmussen and Trafalgar from now on.
Even if they are wrong and have an R bias next cycle, why disappoint yourself?

No rasmussen is just random trash.

Rasmussen had Biden up in Ohio at one point, but their national polls are always too Republican. They completely botch in Dem-friendly years, like in 2018 how they were 9-10 points off.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2020, 05:06:23 PM »

I will never believe a Quinnipiac, ABC/WaPo, or Monmouth poll again. Honestly, they should be shut down. They are just republican turnout suppression machines. They are liars.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2020, 05:06:30 PM »

I will use Rasmussen and Trafalgar from now on.
Even if they are wrong and have an R bias next cycle, why disappoint yourself?

No rasmussen is just random trash.

Rasmussen had Biden up in Ohio at one point, but their national polls are always too Republican. They completely botch in Dem-friendly years, like in 2018 how they were 9-10 points off.

Yup Trafalgar actually had some state polls change from 2018>2020. Rasmussen is still 100% junk.
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2020, 05:07:26 PM »

Trafalgar, after all the abuse they took for months, turns out to be more accurate than almost every single other pollster. Even though they do have a Republican bias, which should be noted. SurveyUSA, Susquehanna, Emerson, and CBS/Yougov didn't do that bad either.

I remember someone on Atlas guessed that they artificially inflated Trump’s numbers in every swing state based on the percentage of rural non-college whites and/or Latinos in the CVAP.
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2020, 05:48:34 PM »

I will never believe a Quinnipiac, ABC/WaPo, or Monmouth poll again. Honestly, they should be shut down. They are just republican turnout suppression machines. They are liars.
Bahahaha I wish they suppressed y’all.
Unfortunately they have little impact on the race itself. Although if they did actually suppress GOP voters, maybe I would have a higher opinion of them.
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