SF may prohibit people from smoking in their apartments

[dead0man]

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San Francisco may soon prohibit people from smoking tobacco or cannabis in their apartments.

In one of Board of Supervisors President Norman Yee’s last pieces of legislation, smoking and vaping would be outlawed in apartment buildings of three or more units.

“We are discussing the right of our residents to breathe clean air,” Yee said Thursday, citing the impacts of secondhand smoke.

The board’s Public Safety and Neighborhood Services Committee voted Thursday to send the legislation to the full board for a vote, but did so without a recommendation for approval. The full board is expected to vote on the proposal on Dec. 1.

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The Department of Public Health would enforce the no smoking rule in apartments, leading with education and resources for smoking cessation. But repeat offenders could face fines of up to $1,000 a day.

San Francisco would join some 63 other cities and counties in California who in the past decade have adopted similar laws to make apartment buildings smoke free. They include San Mateo, Daly City and Berkeley.

yet another law that puts poor people and the cops in sh**tty situations

[SevenEleven]

Going outside for five to ten minutes is insanely difficult for poor people, huh? Handing out tickets is a huge burden for our poor cops, eh?

[dead0man]

Going outside for five to ten minutes is insanely difficult for poor people, huh?

you want people to leave their homes during a pandemic?  Also, it's illegal to smoke weed outside in SF

Handing out tickets is a huge burden for our poor cops, eh?

yes, but nowhere near the burden a $1000 fine would be to poor people.  Why do you want more cops/poor people interactions?  Eric Garner would be alive today if it wasn't for petty bull sh**t authoritarian laws like this.

[SevenEleven]

Going outside for five to ten minutes is insanely difficult for poor people, huh?

you want people to leave their homes during a pandemic?  Also, it's illegal to smoke weed outside in SF

Handing out tickets is a huge burden for our poor cops, eh?

yes, but nowhere near the burden a $1000 fine would be to poor people.  Why do you want more cops/poor people interactions?  Eric Garner would be alive today if it wasn't for petty bull sh**t authoritarian laws like this.

Yes, I want people to go outside to smoke during a pandemic, as opposed to filling the hallways with smoke as a deadly respiratory disease is affecting millions.

Eric Garner would be alive if the cops ticketed him, as opposed to choking him out. It isn't Eric Garner's fault that cops suck at their jobs.

[Hope For A New Era]

When will these people gain some self-awareness? The Republican ads write themselves.

[Ancestral Republican]

Oh look, another non-issue only d00man could blow up for all the wrong reasons!

Smoking inside is:

Bad for other people who are exposed to second hand smoke, especially children

Bad for future residents of the apartment, who have to deal with smoke damage on the walls and the potential for radon in carpets.

So what's the issue here? Yes, there may be enforcement issues, but that's no justification for throwing up your hands and allowing it with all we know about how this can cause problems.

Libertarianism is the most questionable ideology in the history of the world. Government healthcare? That's socialism and must be stamped out! (Although I haven't said no to personally benefitting from such a system. ) Smoking inside and putting other peoples' lives at risk? INALIENABLE RIGHTS, BITCH!

[Santander]

Libertarianism is the most questionable ideology in the history of the world.

That title belongs to socialism.

[Mr. Smith]

Freedom move.

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

Libertarianism is the most questionable ideology in the history of the world.

That title belongs to socialism.

How many innocent people died in Obama's concentration camps?

[Joe Republic]

yet another law that puts poor people and the cops in sh**tty situations

Such concern for the poor.  Just wait til you find out how much money lung cancer treatment costs the average person in our for-profit healthcare industry.

[Catholics vs. Convicts]

I've dealt with cigarette smoke seeping into my apartment from the neighbors. Was told by management basically"oh well. what can you do." Non-smokers shouldn't have to put up with that.

[Kingpoleon]

If you live in a building with other people, you don’t get to do things you can if you live alone. Smoking rates have been consistently dropping off, and some strict rules need to come into effect for vaping rates to also fall off.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Smoking inside is: [...]

Bad for future residents of the apartment, who have to deal with smoke damage on the walls and the potential for radon in carpets.

Sounds like a issue for the lessor to deal with, not the government.  I could see government allowing lessors to place non-smoking requirements on lessees, and government requiring lessors to both enforce any such bans and that lessors disclose to potential lessees whether smoking bans have been in place on the apartment or even adjacent apartments. However, from a legal or public health standpoint, what's the difference between banning smoking in apartments and banning it in private homes?

[SevenEleven]

Smoking inside is: [...]

Bad for future residents of the apartment, who have to deal with smoke damage on the walls and the potential for radon in carpets.

Sounds like a issue for the lessor to deal with, not the government.  I could see government allowing lessors to place non-smoking requirements on lessees, and government requiring lessors to both enforce any such bans and that lessors disclose to potential lessees whether smoking bans have been in place on the apartment or even adjacent apartments. However, from a legal or public health standpoint, what's the difference between banning smoking in apartments and banning it in private homes?

Private homes don't share ventilation with other families who choose to be healthier.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Smoking inside is: [...]

Bad for future residents of the apartment, who have to deal with smoke damage on the walls and the potential for radon in carpets.

Sounds like a issue for the lessor to deal with, not the government.  I could see government allowing lessors to place non-smoking requirements on lessees, and government requiring lessors to both enforce any such bans and that lessors disclose to potential lessees whether smoking bans have been in place on the apartment or even adjacent apartments. However, from a legal or public health standpoint, what's the difference between banning smoking in apartments and banning it in private homes?

Private homes don't share ventilation with other families who choose to be healthier.

I can't imagine that duplexes and row houses don't have the same ventilation issues as apartments. Disclosure requirements meet the stated goal of enabling renters to find healthier housing. More importantly, where are non-propertied smokers supposed to live if they can't rent?

[darklordoftech]

Libertarianism is the most questionable ideology in the history of the world.

That title belongs to socialism.

Did you really put Obama in the same picture as Lenin and Hitler?

[Santander]

Libertarianism is the most questionable ideology in the history of the world.

That title belongs to socialism.

Did you really put Obama in the same picture as Lenin and Hitler?

And the best part is, with me, you can't tell whether I mean it in a good way or bad.

[MarkD]

Good policy; I hope it gets replicated elsewhere.

May we eventually regulate tobacco into non-existence.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Good policy; I hope it gets replicated elsewhere.

May we eventually regulate tobacco into non-existence.

Shall we also repeal the 21st Amendment?

I would hope by now we'd have given up the folly of trying to criminalize personal vices.

[S019]

Good policy; I hope it gets replicated elsewhere.

May we eventually regulate tobacco into non-existence.

Shall we also repeal the 21st Amendment?

A lot of society's problems would be fixed if we did that (no more drunk parents beating up children, no more accidents due to drunk driving, no more brawls at bars, no more gambling while drunk (which causes people to lose track of how much they actually gambled))

[S019]

Libertarianism is the most questionable ideology in the history of the world.

That title belongs to socialism.

Did you really put Obama in the same picture as Lenin and Hitler?

Yeah he did, but he's a right wing reactionary, so what would you expect. At least he finally stopped pretending he was a Democrat.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Good policy; I hope it gets replicated elsewhere.

May we eventually regulate tobacco into non-existence.

Shall we also repeal the 21st Amendment?

A lot of society's problems would be fixed if we did that (no more drunk parents beating up children, no more accidents due to drunk driving, no more brawls at bars, no more gambling while drunk (which causes people to lose track of how much they actually gambled))

You do realize that I was referring to the Usonian Constitution, not the Utopian Constitution, don't you?

[S019]

Good policy; I hope it gets replicated elsewhere.

May we eventually regulate tobacco into non-existence.

Shall we also repeal the 21st Amendment?

A lot of society's problems would be fixed if we did that (no more drunk parents beating up children, no more accidents due to drunk driving, no more brawls at bars, no more gambling while drunk (which causes people to lose track of how much they actually gambled))

You do realize that I was referring to the Usonian Constitution, not the Utopian Constitution, don't you?

Yes I do and I would like to reinstate the 18th Amendment

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Good policy; I hope it gets replicated elsewhere.

May we eventually regulate tobacco into non-existence.

Shall we also repeal the 21st Amendment?

A lot of society's problems would be fixed if we did that (no more drunk parents beating up children, no more accidents due to drunk driving, no more brawls at bars, no more gambling while drunk (which causes people to lose track of how much they actually gambled))

You do realize that I was referring to the Usonian Constitution, not the Utopian Constitution, don't you?

Yes I do and I would like to reinstate the 18th Amendment.

Then I have no choice but to conclude you are either an idiot incapable of learning from history, or a troll.

[S019]

Good policy; I hope it gets replicated elsewhere.

May we eventually regulate tobacco into non-existence.

Shall we also repeal the 21st Amendment?

A lot of society's problems would be fixed if we did that (no more drunk parents beating up children, no more accidents due to drunk driving, no more brawls at bars, no more gambling while drunk (which causes people to lose track of how much they actually gambled))

You do realize that I was referring to the Usonian Constitution, not the Utopian Constitution, don't you?

Yes I do and I would like to reinstate the 18th Amendment.

Then I have no choice but to conclude you are either an idiot incapable of learning from history, or a troll.

Or maybe we should actually do something about alcoholism, instead of pretending that it isn't an issue