PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Person Man]

https://twitter.com/PetrosKas/status/1583159727248531457

lol

Completely agree with Fetterman here, but I'd be surprised if this line of attack doesn't backfire on the #woke crowd. Wouldn't be surprised if I'm falling for a joke here, it just seems so out of left field for the Joe Six-Pack who doesn't know that Oz is a raging Turkish nationalist.

There's probably a huge Greek presence in Eastern and Western PA.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Trump is ready to contest the PA results

(That's aimed at Trump, not you Xavier )

[kwabbit]

https://twitter.com/PetrosKas/status/1583159727248531457
lol

Completely agree with Fetterman here, but I'd be surprised if this line of attack doesn't backfire on the #woke crowd. Wouldn't be surprised if I'm falling for a joke here, it just seems so out of left field for the Joe Six-Pack who doesn't know that Oz is a raging Turkish nationalist.

There's probably a huge Greek presence in Eastern and Western PA.

There’s a higher than average Greek ancestry in PA, but it’s less than one percent and I don’t think this is that much of a top issue for them. Just some low hanging fruit for Fetterman but it doesn’t matter much overall.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

If the Fetterman campaign is smart, they'll go all-in on a strategy to hit Oz for serving in the Turkish military and hint at him being Muslim in the last week. Democrats will hate this but, guess what? Most of them will have already voted via absentee ballot!

[If my soul was made of stone]

If the Fetterman campaign is smart, they'll go all-in on a strategy to hit Oz for serving in the Turkish military and hint at him being Muslim in the last week. Democrats will hate this but, guess what? Most of them will have already voted via absentee ballot!

Have you ever considered not being a pig for one solitary minute in your life?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

If the Fetterman campaign is smart, they'll go all-in on a strategy to hit Oz for serving in the Turkish military and hint at him being Muslim in the last week. Democrats will hate this but, guess what? Most of them will have already voted via absentee ballot!

Have you ever considered not being a pig for one solitary minute in your life?

I mean it would work, as terrible as it is.

[bagelman]

Yep, anything is justifed when trying to block Oz from the Senate. Dr. Oz must lose at all costs in the single most important Senate election this year and one of the most important of my lifetime.

Here's my hot take: Oz is doing better than expected and may win because he is a snake oil salesman. Oz understands that politics is about manipulating people, that's been his lifelong profession, and he isn't bogged down by actually having an empathic interested in the people he would supposedly be representing. Oz does care about his people, but his people are the people of Istanbul and Ankara, not Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. (no offense meant to Turkish people here on the board)

There exists a certain subset of the population that don't like candidates like Fetterman because he is down to earth. These sort of people see something gilded and think it's golden, and they will never be persuaded otherwise. They keep up with the Kardasians, they watch youtubers like Jake Paul, they live in a world of celebrity gossip with a social structure of adults in high school.

People on forums like this don't really comprehend these people, even those of us who support Oz because of partisanship and ideology, because to them a photogenic guy on TV is higher on the hierarchy than a doctor, and Oz is both.  

Glamour means nothing to John Fetterman, but some people truly value it as much as traits like honestly and wisdom.

This may also be a reason why Trump won and almost won again, because these sort of people remember the Apprentice and saw pictures of his ornate gilded penthouse and supported him because of that.

Also the dog attack ads come across as desperate and dishonest. Democratic ads on that topic are like the boy crying wolf when other similar sort of ads from both parties have done the same. Most of the time there is no wolf or it's a small dog, this time there really is a wolf, and frankly it's bigger and more sinister than Fetterman and his campaign realize.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Oz touting that "extremism is bad" in a recent ad that I saw last night.

(Also, congrats to my Phillies fan peeps on making the Fall Classic! Your team is on fire and a lot of fun to watch!)

(But y'all are delusional if you think you stand a chance against my Astros...)

[Person Man]

If the Fetterman campaign is smart, they'll go all-in on a strategy to hit Oz for serving in the Turkish military and hint at him being Muslim in the last week. Democrats will hate this but, guess what? Most of them will have already voted via absentee ballot!

Fight fire with fire.

[wbrocks67]

Yep, anything is justifed when trying to block Oz from the Senate. Dr. Oz must lose at all costs in the single most important Senate election this year and one of the most important of my lifetime.

Here's my hot take: Oz is doing better than expected and may win because he is a snake oil salesman. Oz understands that politics is about manipulating people, that's been his lifelong profession, and he isn't bogged down by actually having an empathic interested in the people he would supposedly be representing. Oz does care about his people, but his people are the people of Istanbul and Ankara, not Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. (no offense meant to Turkish people here on the board)

There exists a certain subset of the population that don't like candidates like Fetterman because he is down to earth. These sort of people see something gilded and think it's golden, and they will never be persuaded otherwise. They keep up with the Kardasians, they watch youtubers like Jake Paul, they live in a world of celebrity gossip with a social structure of adults in high school.

People on forums like this don't really comprehend these people, even those of us who support Oz because of partisanship and ideology, because to them a photogenic guy on TV is higher on the hierarchy than a doctor, and Oz is both.  

Glamour means nothing to John Fetterman, but some people truly value it as much as traits like honestly and wisdom.

This may also be a reason why Trump won and almost won again, because these sort of people remember the Apprentice and saw pictures of his ornate gilded penthouse and supported him because of that.

Also the dog attack ads come across as desperate and dishonest. Democratic ads on that topic are like the boy crying wolf when other similar sort of ads from both parties have done the same. Most of the time there is no wolf or it's a small dog, this time there really is a wolf, and frankly it's bigger and more sinister than Fetterman and his campaign realize.

With all due respect, have you *seen* the GOP attack ads against Fetterman? Come on now. There are *many* desperate and dishonest attack ads in this race.

Also you're missing a key part here - people don't like Oz. His favorables continue to be a dumpster fire. You can't be a snake oil sales man successfully if people don't like you.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Yep, anything is justifed when trying to block Oz from the Senate. Dr. Oz must lose at all costs in the single most important Senate election this year and one of the most important of my lifetime.

Here's my hot take: Oz is doing better than expected and may win because he is a snake oil salesman. Oz understands that politics is about manipulating people, that's been his lifelong profession, and he isn't bogged down by actually having an empathic interested in the people he would supposedly be representing. Oz does care about his people, but his people are the people of Istanbul and Ankara, not Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. (no offense meant to Turkish people here on the board)

There exists a certain subset of the population that don't like candidates like Fetterman because he is down to earth. These sort of people see something gilded and think it's golden, and they will never be persuaded otherwise. They keep up with the Kardasians, they watch youtubers like Jake Paul, they live in a world of celebrity gossip with a social structure of adults in high school.

People on forums like this don't really comprehend these people, even those of us who support Oz because of partisanship and ideology, because to them a photogenic guy on TV is higher on the hierarchy than a doctor, and Oz is both.  

Glamour means nothing to John Fetterman, but some people truly value it as much as traits like honestly and wisdom.

This may also be a reason why Trump won and almost won again, because these sort of people remember the Apprentice and saw pictures of his ornate gilded penthouse and supported him because of that.

Also the dog attack ads come across as desperate and dishonest. Democratic ads on that topic are like the boy crying wolf when other similar sort of ads from both parties have done the same. Most of the time there is no wolf or it's a small dog, this time there really is a wolf, and frankly it's bigger and more sinister than Fetterman and his campaign realize.

With all due respect, have you *seen* the GOP attack ads against Fetterman? Come on now. There are *many* desperate and dishonest attack ads in this race.

My fav right now is "Fetterman takes pictures in front of factories.  But he's never worked in a factory..."

Trump wore a hard hat while speaking to coal miners, but he's never worked in a coal mine.  Biden gave a speech in front of a truck parts plant in Ohio but he never worked in auto manufacturing.  I have a picture next to an elephant but I've never owned an elephant. 

[GeorgiaModerate]

I have a picture next to an elephant but I've never owned an elephant. 

RINO!

[ProgressiveModerate]

Yep, anything is justifed when trying to block Oz from the Senate. Dr. Oz must lose at all costs in the single most important Senate election this year and one of the most important of my lifetime.

Here's my hot take: Oz is doing better than expected and may win because he is a snake oil salesman. Oz understands that politics is about manipulating people, that's been his lifelong profession, and he isn't bogged down by actually having an empathic interested in the people he would supposedly be representing. Oz does care about his people, but his people are the people of Istanbul and Ankara, not Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. (no offense meant to Turkish people here on the board)

There exists a certain subset of the population that don't like candidates like Fetterman because he is down to earth. These sort of people see something gilded and think it's golden, and they will never be persuaded otherwise. They keep up with the Kardasians, they watch youtubers like Jake Paul, they live in a world of celebrity gossip with a social structure of adults in high school.

People on forums like this don't really comprehend these people, even those of us who support Oz because of partisanship and ideology, because to them a photogenic guy on TV is higher on the hierarchy than a doctor, and Oz is both.  

Glamour means nothing to John Fetterman, but some people truly value it as much as traits like honestly and wisdom.

This may also be a reason why Trump won and almost won again, because these sort of people remember the Apprentice and saw pictures of his ornate gilded penthouse and supported him because of that.

Also the dog attack ads come across as desperate and dishonest. Democratic ads on that topic are like the boy crying wolf when other similar sort of ads from both parties have done the same. Most of the time there is no wolf or it's a small dog, this time there really is a wolf, and frankly it's bigger and more sinister than Fetterman and his campaign realize.

With all due respect, have you *seen* the GOP attack ads against Fetterman? Come on now. There are *many* desperate and dishonest attack ads in this race.

My fav right now is "Fetterman takes pictures in front of factories.  But he's never worked in a factory..."

Trump wore a hard hat while speaking to coal miners, but he's never worked in a coal mine.  Biden gave a speech in front of a truck parts plant in Ohio but he never worked in auto manufacturing.  I have a picture next to an elephant but I've never owned an elephant. 

That ad is very ironic coming from Oz to go is trying to act all down to earth when he doenst even know how to normally shop at a grocery store.

Also sorry to inform you of this but you’re a RINO. Real republicans own elephants.

[wbrocks67]

Fetterman's team was out handing "Phillies fans for Fetterman" out last night in the crowds after the win.

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1584560792061763584

[Comrade Funk]

Oz touting that "extremism is bad" in a recent ad that I saw last night.

(Also, congrats to my Phillies fan peeps on making the Fall Classic! Your team is on fire and a lot of fun to watch!)

(But y'all are delusional if you think you stand a chance against my Astros...)

Wow you're a bad transplant. Good luck surviving the next two weeks if you go public as an Astros fan lmao

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1584651565767458816

[MT Treasurer]

I really don’t (at least no longer) buy that McCormick wouldn’t have done a few points better than Oz in a general election. While 'Romney lite' or 'hedge fund manager' or whatever would have been a problem, (a) a Mitt Romney clone would probably be winning this race against Fetterman if he somehow made it out of a three-way primary, (b) Club of Growth PAC Republican Pat Toomey had some of the same vulnerabilities and yet won the state back when it was considerably less Republican (even though Sestak put up an impressive fight in the final weeks of the campaign), and — most importantly — (c) McCormick wasn’t nearly as personally contemptible or even unrelatable as Oz, which is why the focus never would have been on McCormick the person as much as it is on Oz now. Every minute that is spent trying to turn Oz into a somewhat human, somewhat acceptable alternative to Fetterman is a minute lost in what should be a relentless nationalization of this race.

When you think about it, Oz really seems like the type of Republican candidate designed in a DSCC lab in order lose a competitive race. You couldn’t even include the 'killing puppies' part in a story line because it’d be torn apart as outrageously stereotypical while the crudité part would be judged completely over the top, yet this is Mehmet Oz.

I have a feeling that those 950 votes for Oz over McCormick were possibly the costliest and most consequential ones of the cycle. When you combine this with Sununu not running for NH-SEN, the SLF (foolishly) abandoning Masters in AZ-SEN, Vance/Ryan forcing Republican to divert resources from more competitive states, and Warnock benefiting from the runoff law & the presence of a Libertarian candidate in GA (like Ossoff in 2020), it’s honestly incredible how many lucky breaks Democrats have again had this cycle.

[wbrocks67]

Something to watch if the polls start stabilizing for Fetterman this week. After a GOP advantage on the airwaves, Dems led the ad race pretty solidly the last 2 weeks.

https://twitter.com/AdImpact_Pol/status/1584666193121579008

[Senator Incitatus]

Yeah, I also now buy the “McCormick would win” argument after adamantly countering it; I didn’t expect Fetterman to be this much of a dud, and I think the silent spectre of Oz’s religion and dual citizenship continues to hang pretty heavy with the base.

[wbrocks67]

Yeah, I also now buy the “McCormick would win” argument after adamantly countering it; I didn’t expect Fetterman to be this much of a dud, and I think the silent spectre of Oz’s religion and dual citizenship continues to hang pretty heavy with the base.

We haven't even gotten the results yet.

[axiomsofdominion]

Yeah, I also now buy the “McCormick would win” argument after adamantly countering it; I didn’t expect Fetterman to be this much of a dud, and I think the silent spectre of Oz’s religion and dual citizenship continues to hang pretty heavy with the base.

We haven't even gotten the results yet.

Fetterman is a "dud" in the sense that the stroke turned a race that would have been a landslide into a moderate win. I think that can't be denied. A more bland moderate Republican who was actually from the state and not a literal foreign national probably would have won.

Luckily the R candidate is Oz so Dems have a good shot.

[Stockdale for Veep]

I really don’t (at least no longer) buy that McCormick wouldn’t have done a few points better than Oz in a general election. While 'Romney lite' or 'hedge fund manager' or whatever would have been a problem, (a) a Mitt Romney clone would probably be winning this race against Fetterman if he somehow made it out of a three-way primary, (b) Club of Growth PAC Republican Pat Toomey had some of the same vulnerabilities and yet won the state back when it was considerably less Republican (even though Sestak put up an impressive fight in the final weeks of the campaign), and — most importantly — (c) McCormick wasn’t nearly as personally contemptible or even unrelatable as Oz, which is why the focus never would have been on McCormick the person as much as it is on Oz now. Every minute that is spent trying to turn Oz into a somewhat human, somewhat acceptable alternative to Fetterman is a minute lost in what should be a relentless nationalization of this race.

When you think about it, Oz really seems like the type of Republican candidate designed in a DSCC lab in order lose a competitive race. You couldn’t even include the 'killing puppies' part in a story line because it’d be torn apart as outrageously stereotypical while the crudité part would be judged completely over the top, yet this is Mehmet Oz.

I have a feeling that those 950 votes for Oz over McCormick were possibly the costliest and most consequential ones of the cycle. When you combine this with Sununu not running for NH-SEN, the SLF (foolishly) abandoning Masters in AZ-SEN, Vance/Ryan forcing Republican to divert resources from more competitive states, and Warnock benefiting from the runoff law & the presence of a Libertarian candidate in GA (like Ossoff in 2020), it’s honestly incredible how many lucky breaks Democrats have again had this cycle.

I'd rather have the Senate structurally biased in my favor than some good luck.

[Ferguson97]

Does money even matter this close to the election?

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Yeah, I also now buy the “McCormick would win” argument after adamantly countering it; I didn’t expect Fetterman to be this much of a dud, and I think the silent spectre of Oz’s religion and dual citizenship continues to hang pretty heavy with the base.

I'm still pretty bullish on it. McCormick himself just parachuted in from CT, which does matter.

I doubt he's as inept as Oz, but McCormick isn't this amazing electoral titan either. I'm fairly confident Barnette would have this in the bag though.

[Senator Incitatus]

Yeah, I also now buy the “McCormick would win” argument after adamantly countering it; I didn’t expect Fetterman to be this much of a dud, and I think the silent spectre of Oz’s religion and dual citizenship continues to hang pretty heavy with the base.

I'm still pretty bullish on it. McCormick himself just parachuted in from CT, which does matter.

I doubt he's as skilled as Oz, but McCormick isn't this amazing electoral titan either. I'm fairly confident Barnette would have this in the bag though.

I think there's a big difference between "foreign Muslim" with a New Jersey dogwhistle and "Pennsylvania native who moved to Connecticut." McCormick didn't really leave Pennsylvania except for school and the military until he was at least 34. But the core point is that it's all a dogwhistle anyway.