PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Yoda]

Definitely shocked at how unimpressive and weak candidate John Fetterman really is. Posters here are again falling for classic Twitter hype as they did for Gideon..

At the end of the day Trump territory is going to hold still for Oz and Mastriano, with a few counties swinging here and there, then Philly and it's suburbs swings towards Oz, carrying him across the finish line..

After election day there will numerous inquieries on how Fetterman sat on his ass, being a twitter lord, etc.. by the same posters who kept screaming and pushing how glorious he was.

I screen shotted TF outta this post

[ProgressiveModerate]

Fettermans reply. 
https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1549785219598794754

I literally just saw this on twitter and logged on here to talk about it. I genuinely LOL'd for like a minute.

Fetterman's twitter man/woman is going to earn themselves a big bonus by the time this campaign is over. So well done.

Also, why is Oz continuously linking Fetterman to Sanders? Sanders is popular. Why isn't he linking him to Biden, who is unpopular? Oz's campaign is so inept it's ridiculous.

Also there is plenty of video of Oz vibing with Sanders which just seems like it can be used against him.

[free my dawg]

Once again, you did a far better job of making the implication than I did. You said yourself, "If he's not going to be capable of campaigning then he needs to surrender the nomination and let the state party put Lamb on the ballot."

This is not a paraphrase. This is not me editing out context. These are your exact words. I don't doubt you'd vote for and donate to Fetterman, but it's easy to doubt when the only things you have posted in here have been copium binges about Fetterman's stroke.

Yeah -- if he can't campaign, then he should stand aside for someone who does.  I HOPE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN because I think he's the better general election candidate, provided he can actually campaign.  It's not concern trolling, it's not trying to manufacture an issue, this is a real problem that people are talking about.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?  Why do you constantly have to post juvenile 4chan crap like "copium"?  For Christ's sake when are you going to grow up?

Once again, you did a far better job
The fact of the matter is that the doctors said he could be off the trail until July and Fetterman is scheduled to return to in-person campaigning tomorrow at a fundraiser.

My recollection is that it was only supposed to be a short period of time at first, then a couple weeks, then the end of June, then July.  All interspersed with periods of "we don't actually have a deadline."

You come off as less of "Democrat expresses concern about Fetterman's health/campaign" and more of "Here's how Lamb can still be Senator".

I don't even want Lamb to be the candidate if Fetterman has to stand aside.  He's not a good statewide candidate.  If we have to replace him with an emergency stand-in then my preference would be Governor Wolf, if he's willing.  Again, I hope this does not happen, and based on the fact that he's now planning to appear in public, it seems like it won't, so this is all moot.

Yes, that's what happens with stroke timelines. People err on the side of caution so we actually don't end up in this situation where Fetterman isn't able to campaign. He trusted the doctors who gave him the best medical advice he could get, he rested, and now he's ready to campaign.

If you want to drag your personal problems with me into random threads again like you love to do so much, go right ahead, but that doesn't change anything I said or make me any less wrong.

[riceowl]

this is quite an ad https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1549860966266851330

[wbrocks67]

I suspect the quackery will also be a big push by Dems in addition to the NJ stuff.

The thing with Oz is that you have an embarrassment of riches in what you can hit him on at this point besides general policy stuff.

[Lambsbread]

this is quite an ad https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1549860966266851330

Yeah that's pretty good. It's standard resistance lib stuff, but it'll do.

[GALeftist]

Fettermans reply. 
https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1549785219598794754

I literally just saw this on twitter and logged on here to talk about it. I genuinely LOL'd for like a minute.

Fetterman's twitter man/woman is going to earn themselves a big bonus by the time this campaign is over. So well done.

Also, why is Oz continuously linking Fetterman to Sanders? Sanders is popular. Why isn't he linking him to Biden, who is unpopular? Oz's campaign is so inept it's ridiculous.

Also there is plenty of video of Oz vibing with Sanders which just seems like it can be used against him.

Sure but again, Sanders is likely more popular in PA than Biden is right now; YouGov has Bernie at 50% approval nationally, so I suspect he's around the high 40s in PA, while Biden is likely nearing 30 at this point. If I were running a Senate campaign in Pennsylvania I would be breathing a sigh of relief every time I was linked to Sanders, because the alternative is definitely worse. It's not like it would even be that difficult; there are like a trillion videos of Fetterman on MSNBC talking about Biden from the 2020 election. To be fair to Oz's campaign, they wisely put out an ad yesterday linking Fetterman to Biden, but I didn't like it very much, the connections were pretty vague and the ad almost conceded that most voters disagreed with the premise from the start.

[wbrocks67]

Well and the thing with tying someone to Biden in a state like PA is that Biden's personal favorability is not as toxic as say, Trump's was. People are unhappy with the administration, how much is getting done, national mood, etc., but usually Biden's personal favorability outruns his approval. People don't "hate" him as much as people had a personal issue with Trump for example.

Essentially Rs IMO are not going to get as much mileage out of linking Ds to Biden as Ds did when they linked Rs to Trump. His personal brand is just more toxic

[Pollster]

this is quite an ad https://twitter.com/meidastouch/status/1549860966266851330

Lots of parts of this could be trimmed to make it a really good, standard minute-long spot, particularly the less effective stuff (certainly John Oliver is not a credible messenger for a majority of swing voters).

[The Dowager Mod]

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1550211995026194432

[President Johnson]

Another reason I want Fetterman to win is because I'd like to see him debating Cruz, Hawley and the other lunatics in the senate chamber. If his Twitter is any indication how that might go, then grab your popcorn.

[Minnesota Mike]

Does Fetterman's health matter to voters? Not on a personal level but as to who they want representing them in the senate. If you supported Fetterman before his stroke what would be the logic in switching Oz now? I could see the rational in the primary where you could switch to someone with similar views but in the GE why switch to someone with a very different world view?

[ProgressiveModerate]

Honestly I think this feels like seat 49 rather than 51 for Dems in November.

He’s been able to distinguish himself well while not really pissing off any faction of voters he needs.

Meanwhile someone like CCM is running a very establishment campaign in an anti-establishment state, or Kelly’s who’s 2020 momentum has died down a bit.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

This race has a combination of factors. For instance, some states have two bad candidates- Hassan and Morse/Bolduc, some have two average (Hassan/Laxalt), some have one good and one average (Kelly/Masters) but PA is the only one that has unquestionably a great candidate and a terrible candidate.

[sting in the rafters]

Lean R -> Lean R. Candidate quality the only reason the jawn's not Likely R.

[wbrocks67]

Lean R -> Lean R. Candidate quality the only reason the jawn's not Likely R.

I'm not sure what your point here is but it always amazes me the grave misunderstanding people who don't live here have of PA registration trends data.

[wbrocks67]

Meanwhile, "He's in Pennsylvania" is trending in PA because Oz is being dunked on again by putting out this "LOST" tweet. Not only are people ratio'ing him saying that Fetterman is in PA (whereas Oz is not), but Oz continues to make Fetterman look even cooler with his graphics, so Fetterman stole it and put it as his own header on Twitter-

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1550294388319948800

[Lambsbread]

Meanwhile, "He's in Pennsylvania" is trending in PA because Oz is being dunked on again by putting out this "LOST" tweet. Not only are people ratio'ing him saying that Fetterman is in PA (whereas Oz is not), but Oz continues to make Fetterman look even cooler with his graphics, so Fetterman stole it and put it as his own header on Twitter-

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1550294388319948800

That is so based

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Meanwhile, "He's in Pennsylvania" is trending in PA because Oz is being dunked on again by putting out this "LOST" tweet. Not only are people ratio'ing him saying that Fetterman is in PA (whereas Oz is not), but Oz continues to make Fetterman look even cooler with his graphics, so Fetterman stole it and put it as his own header on Twitter-

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1550294388319948800

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Okay, that's ...that's pretty good on two fronts.  Whoever did the graphical work for Oz deserves a pat on the back and Team Fetterman is pretty brilliant for making it their header. 

[Senator Incitatus]

Who ran a stronger campaign: John Fetterman or Matt Foldi?

[Devout Centrist]

Who ran a stronger campaign: John Fetterman or Matt Foldi?

the one that won their primary?

[wbrocks67]

I mean really, WHO is running the Oz campaign at this point?

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1550570382784094215

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I mean really, WHO is running the Oz campaign at this point?

https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1550570382784094215

Oh no...those things have breached the midterms!

(I was Little Miss Ask About This Lump, btw). 

[wbrocks67]

and I have no idea why he is so obsessed with Bernie Sanders. Most people don't even care about Bernie anymore one way or the other (and he's honestly probably more popular in PA than Joe Biden atm)

https://twitter.com/DrOz/status/1550874419559645184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp...

[wbrocks67]

Right, but the point is that Oz/GOP has been trying to "John Fetterman is a Bernie Sanders radical socialist" and it is not, and has not been, working this entire time.