PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[UncleSam]

The white working class voted for Tom wolf not Fetterman who has no general election accomplishment at all.

Cope and seethe

The "Articulate" Left at work here

It's not our fault your candidate is the worst Senate candidate in recent memory.

Ah, yes. That idiot exists - can't believe that was almost 5 years ago.

Considering everything Lamb is probably the worst Democratic Senate candidate in recent memory. I thought he was grossly overrated from the get-go but holy f**k I did not expect him to go that far

Mandela Barnes, Alan Grayson, and Cal Cunningham say hi

Cal Cunningham was perfectly fine, if he hadn't gotten caught until after the election he probably would've outrun the top of the ticket and won. Even after getting caught, he ran essentially even with Biden. Don't see how that is a 'weak' candidate.

I'd also argue that not voting for somebody due to that person having a consensual affair is a really stupid reason to change your vote. But unfortunately that is the society we live in and yes he should've known better (or gotten luckier).

As for Barnes and Grayson - neither has even won a primary yet or been a nominee. Don't see how we can declare them to be terrible candidates just yet.

I'd argue the objective worst D candidate in recent memory is Sara Gideon, who managed to lose by 8 while Biden was winning her state by 9. Even Strickland didn't get outrun by the top of the ticket by 17 points.

[Roll Roons]

The white working class voted for Tom wolf not Fetterman who has no general election accomplishment at all.

Cope and seethe

The "Articulate" Left at work here

It's not our fault your candidate is the worst Senate candidate in recent memory.

Ah, yes. That idiot exists - can't believe that was almost 5 years ago.

Considering everything Lamb is probably the worst Democratic Senate candidate in recent memory. I thought he was grossly overrated from the get-go but holy f**k I did not expect him to go that far

Mandela Barnes, Alan Grayson, and Cal Cunningham say hi

Cal Cunningham was perfectly fine, if he hadn't gotten caught until after the election he probably would've outrun the top of the ticket and won. Even after getting caught, he ran essentially even with Biden. Don't see how that is a 'weak' candidate.

I'd also argue that not voting for somebody due to that person having a consensual affair is a really stupid reason to change your vote. But unfortunately that is the society we live in and yes he should've known better (or gotten luckier).

As for Barnes and Grayson - neither has even won a primary yet or been a nominee. Don't see how we can declare them to be terrible candidates just yet.

I'd argue the objective worst D candidate in recent memory is Sara Gideon, who managed to lose by 8 while Biden was winning her state by 9. Even Strickland didn't get outrun by the top of the ticket by 17 points.

Idk if that was because Gideon was particularly bad or because Collins was particularly strong.

The actual worst: Nebraska Democrat Chris Janicek. It got no attention because the race was always Safe R, but he was the nominee against Ben Sasse and was disavowed by the state party over harassment allegations.

[AncestralDemocrat.]

Hoping the big dude makes a swift recovery.

[Pericles]

The white working class voted for Tom wolf not Fetterman who has no general election accomplishment at all.

Cope and seethe

The "Articulate" Left at work here

It's not our fault your candidate is the worst Senate candidate in recent memory.

Ah, yes. That idiot exists - can't believe that was almost 5 years ago.

Considering everything Lamb is probably the worst Democratic Senate candidate in recent memory. I thought he was grossly overrated from the get-go but holy f**k I did not expect him to go that far

Mandela Barnes, Alan Grayson, and Cal Cunningham say hi

Cal Cunningham was perfectly fine, if he hadn't gotten caught until after the election he probably would've outrun the top of the ticket and won. Even after getting caught, he ran essentially even with Biden. Don't see how that is a 'weak' candidate.

I'd also argue that not voting for somebody due to that person having a consensual affair is a really stupid reason to change your vote. But unfortunately that is the society we live in and yes he should've known better (or gotten luckier).

As for Barnes and Grayson - neither has even won a primary yet or been a nominee. Don't see how we can declare them to be terrible candidates just yet.

I'd argue the objective worst D candidate in recent memory is Sara Gideon, who managed to lose by 8 while Biden was winning her state by 9. Even Strickland didn't get outrun by the top of the ticket by 17 points.

I don't see how having more affairs would have been a vote-winner.

[Morning in Atlas]

I'd argue the objective worst D candidate in recent memory is Sara Gideon, who managed to lose by 8 while Biden was winning her state by 9. Even Strickland didn't get outrun by the top of the ticket by 17 points.

I would say both. Collins was a strong candidate.

At the same time, Gideon and the DSCC basically ran a campaign that appealed to #Resistance Twitter and nobody else. Northern New England - especially Maine - is a very parochial, insular region. Gideon imported nearly her entire campaign from Washington, DC. Ticket-splitting still matters up here, and you can't just scream "orange man bad" over and over again and expect to win. Gideon's campaign was almost totally devoid of kitchen-table issues and mostly tied Collins to Trump. For all the talk after 2020 about the left only appealing to their section of Twitter activists, the Democrats are awfully unwilling to practice what they preach.

(I do think you can make an argument for Gideon, FWIW. But I think with what he's done and the political calculations he's made this cycle, Lamb has fallen the farthest from expectations.)

[Canis]

I'd argue the objective worst D candidate in recent memory is Sara Gideon, who managed to lose by 8 while Biden was winning her state by 9. Even Strickland didn't get outrun by the top of the ticket by 17 points.

I would say both. Collins was a strong candidate.

At the same time, Gideon and the DSCC basically ran a campaign that appealed to #Resistance Twitter and nobody else. Northern New England - especially Maine - is a very parochial, insular region. Gideon imported nearly her entire campaign from Washington, DC. Ticket-splitting still matters up here, and you can't just scream "orange man bad" over and over again and expect to win. Gideon's campaign was almost totally devoid of kitchen-table issues and mostly tied Collins to Trump. For all the talk after 2020 about the left only appealing to their section of Twitter activists, the Democrats are awfully unwilling to practice what they preach.

(I do think you can make an argument for Gideon, FWIW. But I think with what he's done and the political calculations he's made this cycle, Lamb has fallen the farthest from expectations.)

Also, Don't forget Lisa Savage was in the race and got 4.95% and almost all of her voters second prefed Gideon so Collins won by about 3-4% actually, Savage's vote share kind of distorts how well Collins did.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

The white working class voted for Tom wolf not Fetterman who has no general election accomplishment at all.

Cope and seethe

The "Articulate" Left at work here

It's not our fault your candidate is the worst Senate candidate in recent memory.

Friend, the tyrannical mods removed my previous post, but it was to the effect that you are correct in refusing to waste valuable typing time responding to cheerleaders of the Dem. establishment who give you snark and insinuate that you are an idiot.  "Articulate left".  BAH!  Why does one need to articulate about a primary where one candidate is about to win by like 40 points. 

[wbrocks67]

I get we're in a heated primary battle, but these favs #s AMONG GOP PRIMARY VOTERS are just terrible for all 3 of them, especially Barnette, who has no reason to have that much of an unfav b/c shes only been hit in the last week!

https://twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/1526009706178830339

[wbrocks67]

Also, of note, that Barnette did not just fund buses to the insurrection, but she was actually there, walking with the Proud Boys on the way to the capital.

https://twitter.com/gill_mcgoldrick/status/1525991636311887872

[Devils30]

Fetterman not doing a rally tomorrow night. If it is something more serious then it would be best if he dropped. Dems should be aware of deadlines...obviously Lamb would probably be the replacement and Dems need to know in a month if he'll be able to campaign.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/DashaBurns/status/1526184172208914432

[SnowLabrador]

I hope Barnette wins the primary. She's the only one Fetterman has a snowball's chance in hell of beating.

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/PoliticsPA/status/1526205135621443584

[xavier110]

Fetterman not doing a rally tomorrow night. If it is something more serious then it would be best if he dropped. Dems should be aware of deadlines...obviously Lamb would probably be the replacement and Dems need to know in a month if he'll be able to campaign.

The dude just had a stroke. Even if it had been a mild one, I wouldn’t be exerting myself at all for a week or more.

[ElectionsGuy]

https://twitter.com/DashaBurns/status/1526184172208914432

Why is this some supposed to be this disqualifying thing? Are we just going to lump anybody who attended the march that day into the same group as those who violently stormed their way into the capital?

[With you in spirit]

https://twitter.com/DashaBurns/status/1526184172208914432

Why is this some supposed to be this disqualifying thing? Are we just going to lump anybody who attended the march that day into the same group as those who violently stormed their way into the capital?

Yes, especially if they marched with the Proud Boys, a literal fascist street gang.

[Lief 🗽]

https://twitter.com/DashaBurns/status/1526184172208914432

Why is this some supposed to be this disqualifying thing? Are we just going to lump anybody who attended the march that day into the same group as those who violently stormed their way into the capital?

Yes, both peacefully and violently protesting to overturn an election are disqualifying.

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/DashaBurns/status/1526184172208914432

Why is this some supposed to be this disqualifying thing? Are we just going to lump anybody who attended the march that day into the same group as those who violently stormed their way into the capital?

Yes, both peacefully and violently protesting to overturn an election are disqualifying.

He really thought he did something there. I just-

[xavier110]

https://twitter.com/DashaBurns/status/1526184172208914432

Why is this some supposed to be this disqualifying thing? Are we just going to lump anybody who attended the march that day into the same group as those who violently stormed their way into the capital?

We have really fallen as a country if this is debatable.

[ElectionsGuy]

https://twitter.com/DashaBurns/status/1526184172208914432

Why is this some supposed to be this disqualifying thing? Are we just going to lump anybody who attended the march that day into the same group as those who violently stormed their way into the capital?

Yes, especially if they marched with the Proud Boys, a literal fascist street gang.

Based on the picture it's completely unclear she even knows who they are lol.

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/DashaBurns/status/1526184172208914432

Why is this some supposed to be this disqualifying thing? Are we just going to lump anybody who attended the march that day into the same group as those who violently stormed their way into the capital?

Yes, especially if they marched with the Proud Boys, a literal fascist street gang.

Based on the picture it's completely unclear she even knows who they are lol.

Given her history, that is not a benefit of the doubt she gets.

[wbrocks67]

The funniest part about this primary is that if Ryan Costello did end up running, he would barely be getting 10% right now.

[With you in spirit]

The funniest part about this primary is that if Ryan Costello did end up running, he would barely be getting 10% right now.

1%*

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

I get we're in a heated primary battle, but these favs #s AMONG GOP PRIMARY VOTERS are just terrible for all 3 of them, especially Barnette, who has no reason to have that much of an unfav b/c shes only been hit in the last week!

https://twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/1526009706178830339

I'd love to see a poll of Oz's favorability amongst all PA voters. I'd imagine it's pretty ugly.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

This is gonna be a razor thin margin in PA and NC its gonna be close and Ryan is not gonna be blown out by 20 but we don't know about WI because there isn't any poll but that's why I want NC and OH and PA as wave insurances

I find it Hilarious just because Trump won OH by nine users without any poll believe Ryan is gonna lose by not 5 but 20 and Vance and Oz and Budd are political newcomers, regardless they're gonna get Kenneth Blackwell numbers in Afro Americans whereas DeWine has a net fav with Afro Americans, and Beasley is tied and Cunningham lost by 0.5 and users think NC is OHIO

Established GOP don't win Afro Americans but level the play field like Toomey, Burr or Portman or DeWine
.these are also Trump endorsed candidate which make it worse for Afro Americans due to Insurrectionists