PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Not surprised to see Conor Lamchin go along with Pelosi's Betrayal.

There is no universe where Lamb is even remotely comparable to Manchin.  And there was nothing wrong with that Tweet. 

[free my dawg]

Not surprised to see Conor Lamchin go along with Pelosi's Betrayal.

There is no universe where Lamb is even remotely comparable to Manchin.  And there was nothing wrong with that Tweet. 

One is a clown that masturbates over bipartisanship, whines about soshulizum like a Republican, and will gladly sell out the will of his constituents and the Democratic Party for donorbux.

The other is Joe Manchin.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Not surprised to see Conor Lamchin go along with Pelosi's Betrayal.

There is no universe where Lamb is even remotely comparable to Manchin.  And there was nothing wrong with that Tweet.  

One is a clown that masturbates over bipartisanship, whines about soshulizum like a Republican, and will gladly sell out the will of his constituents and the Democratic Party for donorbux.

The other is Joe Manchin.

I consider you a friend and I say this with all due respect, but I genuinely have no idea what you’re even talking about.  From everything I’ve read, the Manchin-Lamb comparison makes about as much sense as insisting a cow is really a walnut.  Lamb has been nothing but a team player who has backed progressive policies and moved to the left once he got elected.  He didn’t try to screw us with BBB and while you may prefer Fetterman, Lamb would be a solid addition to the Senate Democratic Caucus in his own right (and a committed vote for abolishing the filibuster).  

Other than not participating in meaningless virtue-signaling over a pot bill that was clearly DOA no matter what he did, I can’t even think of any votes he’s cast that would give progressives a legitimate cause for complaint.  I could be missing something (in which case please fill me in), but otherwise this is pretty silly.  Like, I get that you want Kenyatta or Fetterman, but come on.

[wbrocks67]

Clearly anyone who isn't totally progressive is now labeled a "Joe Manchin" which is the exact type of purity tests that the Democratic party doesn't need right now.

[free my dawg]

Clearly anyone who isn't totally progressive is now labeled a "Joe Manchin" which is the exact type of purity tests that the Democratic party doesn't need right now.

Yeah, good, okay.

Tell your candidate calling anyone who isn't a corporate asskisser a "socialist" isn't the type of purity test either. But of course, making hyperbolic comparisons is only okay when the centrists do it.

[free my dawg]

I consider you a friend and I say this with all due respect, but I genuinely have no idea what you’re even talking about.  From everything I’ve read, the Manchin-Lamb comparison makes about as much sense as insisting a cow is really a walnut.  Lamb has been nothing but a team player who has backed progressive policies and moved to the left once he got elected.  He didn’t try to screw us with BBB and while you may prefer Fetterman, Lamb would be a solid addition to the Senate Democratic Caucus in his own right (and a committed vote for abolishing the filibuster).  

Other than not participating in meaningless virtue-signaling over a pot bill that was clearly DOA no matter what he did, I can’t even think of any votes he’s cast that would give progressives a legitimate cause for complaint.  I could be missing something (in which case please fill me in), but otherwise this is pretty silly.  Like, I get that you want Kenyatta or Fetterman, but come on.

I'm diametrically opposed to anyone who's a part of the Problem Solvers Caucus, especially affter the stunt that leadership pulled. He also was one of the most conservative members in Congress in 2018, when he was representinging much redder territory. Sure, that might not be a problem right now, but come 2026 or 2028, when PA starts to get redder, what's stopping him from stepping up and becoming the next Democrats' Lieberman or Manchin?

[wbrocks67]

I consider you a friend and I say this with all due respect, but I genuinely have no idea what you’re even talking about.  From everything I’ve read, the Manchin-Lamb comparison makes about as much sense as insisting a cow is really a walnut.  Lamb has been nothing but a team player who has backed progressive policies and moved to the left once he got elected.  He didn’t try to screw us with BBB and while you may prefer Fetterman, Lamb would be a solid addition to the Senate Democratic Caucus in his own right (and a committed vote for abolishing the filibuster).  

Other than not participating in meaningless virtue-signaling over a pot bill that was clearly DOA no matter what he did, I can’t even think of any votes he’s cast that would give progressives a legitimate cause for complaint.  I could be missing something (in which case please fill me in), but otherwise this is pretty silly.  Like, I get that you want Kenyatta or Fetterman, but come on.

I'm diametrically opposed to anyone who's a part of the Problem Solvers Caucus, especially affter the stunt that leadership pulled. He also was one of the most conservative members in Congress in 2018, when he was representinging much redder territory. Sure, that might not be a problem right now, but come 2026 or 2028, when PA starts to get redder, what's stopping him from stepping up and becoming the next Democrats' Lieberman or Manchin?

PA is not getting redder.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Not surprised to see Conor Lamchin go along with Pelosi's Betrayal.

There is no universe where Lamb is even remotely comparable to Manchin.  And there was nothing wrong with that Tweet.  

It's bad in context, especially if you consider that his first ad highlighted "Jan. 6":

https://twitter.com/ConorLambPA/status/1457561213127299076
His pitch is going to be along the lines of "Orange man bad, and I'm not a socialist." It's not quite McAuliffe-tier, but it's close. Congress has rotted his brain to the point where his campaign will be pretty mediocre.

[GALeftist]

There is another good reason why this silly mudflinging about socialism is bad, which is that if Lamb gets on TV and starts ranting about how far left his opponents are, in general or God forbid by name, you can bet that's going to be all over the airwaves in the general if Lamb loses, and it's going to be harder to dismiss from a Democrat. Just irresponsible on his part. Also, I don't think it's unreasonably to support a candidate who seems more likely to support your policies, come what may. Personally, I'd prefer a candidate with a proven track record of sticking by principles regardless of personal expedience.

[Xing]

"I am not a socialist" is not a good slogan for Democrats.

[Senator Incitatus]

Republicans probably should and will abandon Parnell unless he can unequivocally show these allegations are untrue. They show him to be horrible and probably unelectable unless a massive wave carries him over the top. Needless baggage with plenty of good alternatives.

[wbrocks67]

Republicans probably should and will abandon Parnell unless he can unequivocally show these allegations are untrue. They show him to be horrible and probably unelectable unless a massive wave carries him over the top. Needless baggage with plenty of good alternatives.

Eh, I mean who though? Bartos? Who feels like the Gary Black of this race? The PA GOP senate bench is horrific to say the least, Parnell included

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

Walker has allegations and will win the primary and GE.
Parnell will win the nomination and GE as well.
Mald and sperg liberals

[TML]

I consider you a friend and I say this with all due respect, but I genuinely have no idea what you’re even talking about.  From everything I’ve read, the Manchin-Lamb comparison makes about as much sense as insisting a cow is really a walnut.  Lamb has been nothing but a team player who has backed progressive policies and moved to the left once he got elected.  He didn’t try to screw us with BBB and while you may prefer Fetterman, Lamb would be a solid addition to the Senate Democratic Caucus in his own right (and a committed vote for abolishing the filibuster).  

Other than not participating in meaningless virtue-signaling over a pot bill that was clearly DOA no matter what he did, I can’t even think of any votes he’s cast that would give progressives a legitimate cause for complaint.  I could be missing something (in which case please fill me in), but otherwise this is pretty silly.  Like, I get that you want Kenyatta or Fetterman, but come on.

I'm diametrically opposed to anyone who's a part of the Problem Solvers Caucus, especially affter the stunt that leadership pulled. He also was one of the most conservative members in Congress in 2018, when he was representinging much redder territory. Sure, that might not be a problem right now, but come 2026 or 2028, when PA starts to get redder, what's stopping him from stepping up and becoming the next Democrats' Lieberman or Manchin?

PA is not getting redder.

While it may not have swung R from 2016 to 2020, it did trend in that direction (there’s a reason why its Cook PVI went from even in 2017 to R+2 in 2021).

[Utah Neolib]

Parnell will lose, McCormick will win, Bartos will win.

[wbrocks67]

POLITICO:

PARNELL DOUBTS GROW — All eyes are on SEAN PARNELL when he testifies today for the second and final time in an ugly child custody battle with his estranged wife, LAURIE SNELL. Though Parnell unequivocally denied abusing his wife and children on the stand Monday, the Republican Senate candidate in Pennsylvania is starting to bleed high-level support, two sources familiar with the matter told Playbook.

The swirl surrounding Parnell has been intense: On Friday, Parnell was slated to hold a call with donors to answer questions about the status of his campaign but canceled at the last minute, according to a supporter who was slated to participate in the call. That same afternoon, DONALD TRUMP’s team announced he would hold a fundraiser for Parnell at Mar-a-Lago in January, even though the event had been planned weeks before.

After POLITICO reported that DINA POWELL MCCORMICK’s husband, DAVID McCORMICK, is considering entering the race, Trump spokesperson TAYLOR BUDOWICH then issued a statement seeming to double down in support of Parnell, claiming that the former president took “careful consideration” before making the endorsement.

We reported last month, however, that some people close to Trump think Parnell was not vetted closely enough, and that Trump was pressured by DONALD TRUMP JR. to make the nod.

Parnell’s issues are bigger than any frustrations with Trump’s endorsement. Snell has claimed that he struck her and their children. Parnell said under oath that he was never physically abusive.

One supporter said that some Parnell donors are worried about his ability to raise money after the trial. Parnell, who raised $1.1 million in the third quarter — a modest sum especially after the Trump endorsement — has not been a prolific fundraiser.

One adviser to the campaign said they believe Parnell can remain a viable candidate as long as he keeps custody of his children, which the judge in the case will decide in a matter of weeks. A loss in the custody battle would be difficult to withstand politically, the adviser added. The person said Parnell will likely remain in the race until a ruling, even if his campaign is in limbo, and expects to see a bounce for Parnell if it appears that he is vindicated.

But a supporter said that donors are getting anxious and that some are considering advising him as soon as this week to pull out of the race before the judge rules.

“Even if his wife is carried out in a straitjacket, [in] some of these text messages, he’s calling his wife a whore,” said the supporter. “This is not someone we should be sending to Washington.”

The Pennsylvania race is key to GOP hopes to retake the Senate. The seat is currently held by retiring GOP Sen. PAT TOOMEY, but it’s a prime pickup opportunity for Democrats.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2021/11/09/a-trump-backed-senate-hopeful-takes-the-stand-495028

[Senator Incitatus]

Republicans probably should and will abandon Parnell unless he can unequivocally show these allegations are untrue. They show him to be horrible and probably unelectable unless a massive wave carries him over the top. Needless baggage with plenty of good alternatives.

Eh, I mean who though? Bartos? Who feels like the Gary Black of this race? The PA GOP senate bench is horrific to say the least, Parnell included

Plenty of candidates are not currently running because the race seemed to be solidifying behind Parnell. There is a deep bench of U.S. and State Representatives. Or I could see one of the lagging Governor candidates, McSwain or Mastriano, jumping in here once Barletta sews up that primary. Still early days.

[swf541]

Republicans probably should and will abandon Parnell unless he can unequivocally show these allegations are untrue. They show him to be horrible and probably unelectable unless a massive wave carries him over the top. Needless baggage with plenty of good alternatives.

Eh, I mean who though? Bartos? Who feels like the Gary Black of this race? The PA GOP senate bench is horrific to say the least, Parnell included

Plenty of candidates are not currently running because the race seemed to be solidifying behind Parnell. There is a deep bench of U.S. and State Representatives. Or I could see one of the lagging Governor candidates, McSwain or Mastriano, jumping in here once Barletta sews up that primary. Still early days.

This is definitely true, that said I do not think Mastriano is a strong GE candidate

[Ferguson97]

Is there any scenario where this race isn't Fetterman v Parnell?

[TML]

Is there any scenario where this race isn't Fetterman v Parnell?

On the Democratic side, if the DSCC decides to coronate someone other than Fetterman, that individual will probably win the nomination (recall how they coronated Katie McGinty in 2016 over Fetterman and Sestak).

[KaiserDave]

https://twitter.com/PollTrackerUSA/status/1458140595734540293

Randy Bryce 2.0 sure is erratic and disorganized and unable to beat new candidates!


Anyway as for the Lamb debate, he is clearly inferior to Fetterman, but I like him fine, and he's not like Manchin at all. Good guy FF.

[Canis]

Yeah looks like the hype around Kenyatta was all immaterial most likely the primary will be a race between Fetterman and Lamb. Fetterman is definitely the favorite at the moment and Lamb's attacks against him are a good sign of it. Hopefully, the primary doesn't get too nasty. This is by far the Dems best pickup opportunity next year a win here could be crucial to holding the senate.

[Lambsbread]

With the candidates pretty much avoiding going negative up to the point, it will come down to name rec + "likability" which benefits Fetterman two fold. He likely has this primary wrapped up.

[wbrocks67]

https://twitter.com/dhopkins1776/status/1458066183182241792

https://twitter.com/dhopkins1776/status/1458066186571296771

[TML]

With the candidates pretty much avoiding going negative up to the point, it will come down to name rec + "likability" which benefits Fetterman two fold. He likely has this primary wrapped up.

This statement does not take into account the possibility of the DSCC and/or other prominent establishment Democratic figures endorsing someone else and elevating that person, right?