PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Mr.Phips]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Lamb's voting record is similar to Sinema's and Angus King's. Booker, Gillibrand, and even Biden when he was in Congress were way more progressive than him.



He seems like an unnecessary pain in office with a mixed record electorally having underperformed Biden last year.

Biden won by 3, Lamb won by 2. It was basically the same

If Lamb only won by two in a D+3 year, he’s not winning statewide in what likely will be a R+0 or worse year.  Unless his district gets materially worse for him, he should just run for re-election.  I don’t believe any Dem can win the PA Senate seat in 2022.  No need to throw away a House seat for that.  Dems have nothing to lose with Fetterman.

[Lambsbread]

No surprise here, but Carla Sands is in:

https://twitter.com/JonathanTamari/status/1412409217420570636?s=20

[wbrocks67]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Lamb's voting record is similar to Sinema's and Angus King's. Booker, Gillibrand, and even Biden when he was in Congress were way more progressive than him.



He seems like an unnecessary pain in office with a mixed record electorally having underperformed Biden last year.

Biden won by 3, Lamb won by 2. It was basically the same

If Lamb only won by two in a D+3 year, he’s not winning statewide in what likely will be a R+0 or worse year.  Unless his district gets materially worse for him, he should just run for re-election.  I don’t believe any Dem can win the PA Senate seat in 2022.  No need to throw away a House seat for that.  Dems have nothing to lose with Fetterman.

Can't really extrapolate his district performance to the entire state.

[Mr.Phips]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Lamb's voting record is similar to Sinema's and Angus King's. Booker, Gillibrand, and even Biden when he was in Congress were way more progressive than him.



He seems like an unnecessary pain in office with a mixed record electorally having underperformed Biden last year.

Biden won by 3, Lamb won by 2. It was basically the same

If Lamb only won by two in a D+3 year, he’s not winning statewide in what likely will be a R+0 or worse year.  Unless his district gets materially worse for him, he should just run for re-election.  I don’t believe any Dem can win the PA Senate seat in 2022.  No need to throw away a House seat for that.  Dems have nothing to lose with Fetterman.

Can't really extrapolate his district performance to the entire state.

You can’t.  I’m just saying that his performance in 2020 does not indicate that he has some magic power that can allow him to defy gravity in a statewide race in what is likely to be at least a slightly Republican year.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Lamb's voting record is similar to Sinema's and Angus King's. Booker, Gillibrand, and even Biden when he was in Congress were way more progressive than him.



He seems like an unnecessary pain in office with a mixed record electorally having underperformed Biden last year.

Biden won by 3, Lamb won by 2. It was basically the same

If Lamb only won by two in a D+3 year, he’s not winning statewide in what likely will be a R+0 or worse year.  Unless his district gets materially worse for him, he should just run for re-election.  I don’t believe any Dem can win the PA Senate seat in 2022.  No need to throw away a House seat for that.  Dems have nothing to lose with Fetterman.

Can't really extrapolate his district performance to the entire state.

You can’t.  I’m just saying that his performance in 2020 does not indicate that he has some magic power that can allow him to defy gravity in a statewide race in what is likely to be at least a slightly Republican year.

His performances in 2018 and especially the special election were pretty impressive

[Mr.Phips]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Lamb's voting record is similar to Sinema's and Angus King's. Booker, Gillibrand, and even Biden when he was in Congress were way more progressive than him.



He seems like an unnecessary pain in office with a mixed record electorally having underperformed Biden last year.

Biden won by 3, Lamb won by 2. It was basically the same

If Lamb only won by two in a D+3 year, he’s not winning statewide in what likely will be a R+0 or worse year.  Unless his district gets materially worse for him, he should just run for re-election.  I don’t believe any Dem can win the PA Senate seat in 2022.  No need to throw away a House seat for that.  Dems have nothing to lose with Fetterman.

Can't really extrapolate his district performance to the entire state.

You can’t.  I’m just saying that his performance in 2020 does not indicate that he has some magic power that can allow him to defy gravity in a statewide race in what is likely to be at least a slightly Republican year.

His performances in 2018 and especially the special election were pretty impressive

Both in a good Dem environment. 

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Lamb's voting record is similar to Sinema's and Angus King's. Booker, Gillibrand, and even Biden when he was in Congress were way more progressive than him.



He seems like an unnecessary pain in office with a mixed record electorally having underperformed Biden last year.

Biden won by 3, Lamb won by 2. It was basically the same

If Lamb only won by two in a D+3 year, he’s not winning statewide in what likely will be a R+0 or worse year.  Unless his district gets materially worse for him, he should just run for re-election.  I don’t believe any Dem can win the PA Senate seat in 2022.  No need to throw away a House seat for that.  Dems have nothing to lose with Fetterman.

Can't really extrapolate his district performance to the entire state.

You can’t.  I’m just saying that his performance in 2020 does not indicate that he has some magic power that can allow him to defy gravity in a statewide race in what is likely to be at least a slightly Republican year.

His performances in 2018 and especially the special election were pretty impressive

Both in a good Dem environment. 

Even factoring that in, they were both impressive performances.  Good year or not, Lamb had no business winning that special on paper.

[Ritz]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Lamb's voting record is similar to Sinema's and Angus King's. Booker, Gillibrand, and even Biden when he was in Congress were way more progressive than him.



He seems like an unnecessary pain in office with a mixed record electorally having underperformed Biden last year.

Biden won by 3, Lamb won by 2. It was basically the same

If Lamb only won by two in a D+3 year, he’s not winning statewide in what likely will be a R+0 or worse year.  Unless his district gets materially worse for him, he should just run for re-election.  I don’t believe any Dem can win the PA Senate seat in 2022.  No need to throw away a House seat for that.  Dems have nothing to lose with Fetterman.

Can't really extrapolate his district performance to the entire state.

You can’t.  I’m just saying that his performance in 2020 does not indicate that he has some magic power that can allow him to defy gravity in a statewide race in what is likely to be at least a slightly Republican year.

His performances in 2018 and especially the special election were pretty impressive

Both in a good Dem environment. 

Even factoring that in, they were both impressive performances.  Good year or not, Lamb had no business winning that special on paper.

The old PA-18 was a lot more Dem down-ballot though, Wolf and Casey both carried it, and Shapiro only lost it by 4 in 2020. Considering Dems in KS-04, SC-05, and AZ-08 also outran Clinton by similar margins, and he went on to underperform Biden in 2020 he seems more like a replacement-level candidate.

[Utah Neolib]

I don't want to nominate Lamb. We don't need another Sinema.

We do need another Sinema

[wbrocks67]

Q2 fundraising

John Fetterman (D) $2.55 million
Val Arkoosh (D) $1.03 million
Jeff Bartos (R) $1.01 million
Kathy Barnette (R) $595K
Sean Parnell (R) $561K
Malcolm Kenyatta (D) $503K
Sharif Street (D) $245K

Wow, shocked that Arkoosh raised that much. Maybe she's more formidable than I thought. I would love someone from Montco to win, but as I said before, I just thought she was too unknown.

Absolutely dead at Bartos and even whack job Barnette outraising "unbeatable titan" Sean Parnell

[Roll Roons]

How much did Lamb raise?

[wbrocks67]

How much did Lamb raise?

Nearly $1M

[Utah Neolib]

I think Arkoosh is underrated here. She has a strong base in Montgomery County, and will probably do better if Lamb doesn’t run

[Lognog]

I think Arkoosh is underrated here. She has a strong base in Montgomery County, and will probably do better if Lamb doesn’t run

yeah PA politics is hyper regional. If consolidates the collar counties and perhaps some of Lehigh Valley, she stands a shot at winning. Kenyatta will almost certainly take all of Philly proper and I bet Fetterman takes all of the west as he did in his 2018 primary. She raised a decent amount of money too. However, I still think (and hope) Fetterman wins

[Crogers]

Why is Ryan Costello listed as the poll option?

[brucejoel99]

Why is Ryan Costello listed as the poll option?

The options are from a poll posted back in January that subsequently got merged into the megathread.

[Crogers]

ANOTHER WFP socialist who wants to defund the police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1362569864297259010
Safe R.

[Lambsbread]

ANOTHER WFP socialist who wants to defund the police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1362569864297259010
Safe R.

If you're going to troll, please consider being original at it.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Fetterman is clearly the Fav because all the candidates are gonna split the Philly vote just like the Lt Gov and Lamb helps Feeterman being in race with blue collar appeal, but Mandela Barnes has a better chance in WI

[Utah Neolib]

ANOTHER WFP socialist who wants to defund the police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1362569864297259010
Safe R.

Look, I’m the guy who called Nina Turner a radical socialist. But Kenyatta isn’t a radical socialist. He’s just a Warren Progressive type

[brucejoel99]

ANOTHER WFP socialist who wants to defund the police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1362569864297259010
Safe R.

Look, I’m the guy who called Nina Turner a radical socialist. But Kenyatta isn’t a radical socialist. He’s just a Warren Progressive type

Ah, but you're forgetting that everybody to Tom Cotton's left is inherently a radical socialist Marxist leftist. Checkmate, lib.

[GALeftist]

ANOTHER WFP socialist who wants to defund the police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1362569864297259010
Safe R.

Look, I’m the guy who called Nina Turner a radical socialist. But Kenyatta isn’t a radical socialist. He’s just a Warren Progressive type

He was a pretty ardent Biden supporter in the primary too

[Not Me, Us]

ANOTHER WFP socialist who wants to defund the police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1362569864297259010
Safe R.

Look, I’m the guy who called Nina Turner a radical socialist. But Kenyatta isn’t a radical socialist. He’s just a Warren Progressive type

He was a pretty ardent Biden supporter in the primary too

This and electability concerns are the reasons I'm supporting Fetterman. I like Kenyatta, but it's weird that he would support progressive policy while also being strongly for Biden over Bernie or Warren. It makes me think his beliefs aren't that genuine.

[coloradocowboi]

ANOTHER WFP socialist who wants to defund the police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1362569864297259010
Safe R.

Look, I’m the guy who called Nina Turner a radical socialist. But Kenyatta isn’t a radical socialist. He’s just a Warren Progressive type

He was a pretty ardent Biden supporter in the primary too

This and electability concerns are the reasons I'm supporting Fetterman. I like Kenyatta, it's weird that he would support progressive policy while also being strongly for Biden over Bernie or Warren. It makes me think his beliefs aren't that genuine.

I don't think any politicians public beliefs are genuine, but Kenyatta seems to have a problem with not centering himself in any movement or discussion of progressive politics.

However, I think egotism is still a benefit in politics. I think the American people have some sick admiration, prolly stemming from social media and reality tv, for ladder-climbers. And, honestly, if he were not Black and gay, he might be the frontrunner here... but not for reasons I personally admire or like.

[Utah Neolib]

ANOTHER WFP socialist who wants to defund the police.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WorkingFamilies/status/1362569864297259010
Safe R.

Look, I’m the guy who called Nina Turner a radical socialist. But Kenyatta isn’t a radical socialist. He’s just a Warren Progressive type

He was a pretty ardent Biden supporter in the primary too

This and electability concerns are the reasons I'm supporting Fetterman. I like Kenyatta, but it's weird that he would support progressive policy while also being strongly for Biden over Bernie or Warren. It makes me think his beliefs aren't that genuine.

Progressives aren’t guranteed to be electable in states like this. Yes, I know about the success of Tammy Baldwin and Sherrod Brown, but Conor Lamb is more proven to win