PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[MATTROSE94]

Whomever is nominated is gonna win this seat and WI anyways

The question is can Ryan, Beasley, Val , Kunce, Gross and MAUBAUER win, I know the Rs don't believe we can win all these seats but our candidates are better than 2020 candidates HEGAR, Greenfield and Cunningham

The D's had Bollier, Bullock and Joe Kennedy were all wasted


Mandel and Renacci already lost to Sherrod Brown, if Ryan is behind he isn't behind by double digits it's a single digit race, Ryan never lost a race to an R before only D nomination for Prez let's not overdo it with how great Mandel is, but Renacci is a better candidate by far and can win Gov race

Who the heck is MAUBAUER?

I’m guessing he means Finkenauer?

You are right. OC probably typed the wrong thing.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I am not saying we are gonna sweep but we can win some of the states outside the blue wall, with 500 days an R takeover of the H isn't inevitable so ce Ra ranked in Cali and Cali can Redistrct Ta out of Cali, NY and IL and pad our 5 point lead.

The Rs are back to 2018 support in Cali where they lost 4 seats

The Election isn't in 180 days it's 500 days let's wait until we get Redistricting maps any type of wave in Senate will let us keep the H

[KaiserDave]

Still supporting Fetterman

[SnowLabrador]

Still supporting Fetterman

Fetterman will lose to Parnell.

[wbrocks67]

I guess right now I'm Kenyatta > Arkoosh > Fetterman

Lamb is the wildcard. I'd probably put him first then, but I'm not sure. I would really love for PA to break some real progressive ground with Kenyatta.

[GALeftist]

Honestly, I'm still a little skeptical of Kenyatta for how vociferously he backed Biden in the primary. Biden was not running as anything close to a progressive, and for me it both calls into question Kenyatta's progressive bona fides and makes me worry that he'll continue to endorse centrists when in office.

[Lambsbread]

Honestly, I'm still a little skeptical of Kenyatta for how vociferously he backed Biden in the primary. Biden was not running as anything close to a progressive, and for me it both calls into question Kenyatta's progressive bona fides and makes me worry that he'll continue to endorse centrists when in office.

Plenty of progressives fell behind Biden while still supporting progressive ideals. Kenyatta’s also been a strong advocate for progressive issues on the campaign trail and has even expressed a willingness to support Medicare for All, which is typically not something a “centrist” would do—especially not one running in Pennsylvania of all places. He seems to be taking the race much more seriously than Fetterman is and I trust Kenyatta to build the coalitions needed to advance these progressive ideas through the rapport he’s built with the center.

[MATTROSE94]

Still supporting Fetterman

Fetterman will lose to Parnell.

I doubt it. I think John Fetterman or Conor Lamb could defeat Sean Parnell (who is a very weak candidate).

[Utah Neolib]

Still supporting Fetterman

Fetterman will lose to Parnell.

I’m not the biggest fan of Fetterman but he’s not a bad enough candidate to lose to PARNELL

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Fetterman isn't loosing this race

[Never Made it to Graceland]

I guess right now I'm Kenyatta > Arkoosh > Fetterman

Lamb is the wildcard. I'd probably put him first then, but I'm not sure. I would really love for PA to break some real progressive ground with Kenyatta.

You want PA to break "real progressive ground" (with a candidate who's narrowly less progressive than Fetterman) but would throw that out the window when Lamb runs?

[free my dawg]

I guess right now I'm Kenyatta > Arkoosh > Fetterman

Lamb is the wildcard. I'd probably put him first then, but I'm not sure. I would really love for PA to break some real progressive ground with Kenyatta.

You want PA to break "real progressive ground" (with a candidate who's narrowly less progressive than Fetterman) but would throw that out the window when Lamb runs?

Supporting Manchin Jr. to own the Bros

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I guess right now I'm Kenyatta > Arkoosh > Fetterman

Lamb is the wildcard. I'd probably put him first then, but I'm not sure. I would really love for PA to break some real progressive ground with Kenyatta.

You want PA to break "real progressive ground" (with a candidate who's narrowly less progressive than Fetterman) but would throw that out the window when Lamb runs?

Supporting Manchin Jr. to own the Bros

Err…Lamb supports nuking the filibuster and generally votes the party line

[Never Made it to Graceland]

I guess right now I'm Kenyatta > Arkoosh > Fetterman

Lamb is the wildcard. I'd probably put him first then, but I'm not sure. I would really love for PA to break some real progressive ground with Kenyatta.

You want PA to break "real progressive ground" (with a candidate who's narrowly less progressive than Fetterman) but would throw that out the window when Lamb runs?

Supporting Manchin Jr. to own the Bros

I don't think he's a Manchin type but he's definitely not as progressive as the leading two candidates (idk anything about Arkoosh.) Plus I don't buy the "electability of a sacred moderate" argument.

[free my dawg]

I guess right now I'm Kenyatta > Arkoosh > Fetterman

Lamb is the wildcard. I'd probably put him first then, but I'm not sure. I would really love for PA to break some real progressive ground with Kenyatta.

You want PA to break "real progressive ground" (with a candidate who's narrowly less progressive than Fetterman) but would throw that out the window when Lamb runs?

Supporting Manchin Jr. to own the Bros

Err…Lamb supports nuking the filibuster and generally votes the party line

Sinema generally voted the party line too when she was in the House.

[Continential]

I guess right now I'm Kenyatta > Arkoosh > Fetterman

Lamb is the wildcard. I'd probably put him first then, but I'm not sure. I would really love for PA to break some real progressive ground with Kenyatta.

You want PA to break "real progressive ground" (with a candidate who's narrowly less progressive than Fetterman) but would throw that out the window when Lamb runs?

Supporting Manchin Jr. to own the Bros

Err…Lamb supports nuking the filibuster and generally votes the party line

Sinema generally voted the party line too when she was in the House.

Lamb is opposed to the filibuster.

[MargieCat]

I guess right now I'm Kenyatta > Arkoosh > Fetterman

Lamb is the wildcard. I'd probably put him first then, but I'm not sure. I would really love for PA to break some real progressive ground with Kenyatta.

You want PA to break "real progressive ground" (with a candidate who's narrowly less progressive than Fetterman) but would throw that out the window when Lamb runs?

Supporting Manchin Jr. to own the Bros

Lamb is more like Biden than Manchin.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I guess right now I'm Kenyatta > Arkoosh > Fetterman

Lamb is the wildcard. I'd probably put him first then, but I'm not sure. I would really love for PA to break some real progressive ground with Kenyatta.

You want PA to break "real progressive ground" (with a candidate who's narrowly less progressive than Fetterman) but would throw that out the window when Lamb runs?

Supporting Manchin Jr. to own the Bros

Err…Lamb supports nuking the filibuster and generally votes the party line

Sinema generally voted the party line too when she was in the House.

Not as much as you might think though.  At the time, folks largely dismissed it as “something, something you just oppose progressives,” but I was saying back in 2018 that we should run Greg Stanton or even roll the dice on a slightly past sell-by-date candidate like Phil Gordon rather that nominating Sinema.  All the warning signs were there: she went out of her way to ingratiate herself with the Koch brothers’ political network and to a somewhat lesser degree the Chamber of Commerce crowd in general, she was a #ModerateHero in the House, she had no real ideological consistency, she moved to the right as the election cycle started up, etc.

The warning signs were all there with Sinema for anyone paying attention, but the left-wing activist crowd went into overdrive to clear the field for her b/c she was an openly bisexual non-thiest.  That one wasn’t on the DNC, they were pushing Mark Kelly in 2018, but he got boxed out and a Koch brothers meat-puppet waltzed into the Democratic nomination on the back of dumb virtue-signaling.  

If anything, Conor Lamb seems more likely to shift even further to the left once elected.  He’s doing the opposite of what Sinema did.

[SnowLabrador]

I don't want to nominate Lamb. We don't need another Sinema.

[UncleSam]

I don't want to nominate Lamb. We don't need another Sinema.

I have a feeling by Jan 1, 2023 Dems will be longing for another Sinema in this seat. I really don’t see Ds doing well here in a Biden midterm, though if the Rs own-goal with their nominee that’ll be a different story.

I’m sure I’m in the minority here but I think the smart money is on Tilt R in a Parnell-Fetterman or Fitzpatrick-Fetterman race.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I don't want to nominate Lamb. We don't need another Sinema.

He objectively isn’t one

[MargieCat]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

[sting in the rafters]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Biden will likely stay out of the race. Now Casey? His endorsement will be crucial if he decides to.

As for Lamb, the issue I see for him is his stance on energy. His support for natural gas could cost him in Chesco/Delco where there have been numerous problems with the Mariner East pipeline. Fetterman has flip-flopped on it since he won the Lt. Governor race in '18, rather disappointing imo.

[Ritz]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Lamb's voting record is similar to Sinema's and Angus King's. Booker, Gillibrand, and even Biden when he was in Congress were way more progressive than him.



He seems like an unnecessary pain in office with a mixed record electorally having underperformed Biden last year.

[wbrocks67]

I wouldn't be surprised if Biden endorses Lamb, assuming he endorses anyone in the primary.

Biden said the Lamb reminds him of his son Beau, which he also said about Buttigieg.

While he is more moderate than Fetterman or Kenyatta, he wouldn't be another Manchin or Sinema. He'd be more like a Booker, Klobuchar, or Gillibrand.

Lamb's voting record is similar to Sinema's and Angus King's. Booker, Gillibrand, and even Biden when he was in Congress were way more progressive than him.



He seems like an unnecessary pain in office with a mixed record electorally having underperformed Biden last year.

Biden won by 3, Lamb won by 2. It was basically the same