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« Reply #1500 on: December 29, 2020, 11:26:37 AM »

At this point I'm conviced that Trump is now actively trying hurt Mitch McConnell
there is simply no other way to explain why he is doing things that he knows could clearly hurt his party chances in the upcoming election



He just tweeted this at the same time Bernie Sanders said he will filibuster an override of a veto on the defense bill unless the Senate holds a vote on providing $2,000 direct payments to Americans.



Trump is now going out of his way to tell his voters that the 600 dollars check is simply not enough and If Sanders can sideline Perdue and Loeffler even for a couple of days and especially if he can tie them to Republican's opposition to more relief aid  he could conceivably tip the election enough to give Chuck Schumer control of the Senate next week.

If the Dems ends up winning in GA Trumps actions of the past few days will be a big reason for why it happened

Yeah he’s totally just trying to screw McConnell over on his way out the door imo.
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« Reply #1501 on: December 29, 2020, 11:35:58 AM »

Loeffler and Perdue to back 2k stimulus checks


https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/stimulus-checks-senate/2020/12/29/344fa850-49d9-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.html
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« Reply #1502 on: December 29, 2020, 11:39:48 AM »

With the results 6 days to go, and Ossoff's inevitable concession speech underway, let's throwback to 2017 when he got his ass handed to him, despite millions of dollars in his warchest, he ended up bizzarely conceding showing off his Obama impersonation, in what seems to be a desperate pander:


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« Reply #1503 on: December 29, 2020, 11:43:04 AM »


Lmao this is hilarious. Forcing them to back the 2k checks (which is what it should be anyway) and screwing over McConnell at the same time. Big Trump 4D chess move.
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« Reply #1504 on: December 29, 2020, 11:44:49 AM »

With the results 6 days to go, and Ossoff's inevitable concession speech underway, let's throwback to 2017 when he got his ass handed to him, despite millions of dollars in his warchest, he ended up bizzarely conceding showing off his Obama impersonation, in what seems to be a desperate pander:



At least open a window down there
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« Reply #1505 on: December 29, 2020, 11:50:54 AM »

With the results 6 days to go, and Ossoff's inevitable concession speech underway, let's throwback to 2017 when he got his ass handed to him, despite millions of dollars in his warchest, he ended up bizzarely conceding showing off his Obama impersonation, in what seems to be a desperate pander:




Yeah, wouldn't call a 51-48 loss "getting his ass handed to him"
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« Reply #1506 on: December 29, 2020, 11:58:49 AM »

If Perdue backs the $2k checks, I'm voting for Ossoff. I don't see the point of voting R on the basis of fiscal conservatism if they're not going to even try to be fiscally prudent.
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« Reply #1507 on: December 29, 2020, 12:02:00 PM »

If Perdue backs the $2k checks, I'm voting for Ossoff. I don't see the point of voting R on the basis of fiscal conservatism if they're not going to even try to be fiscally prudent.


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« Reply #1508 on: December 29, 2020, 12:28:16 PM »

I think Perdue/Loeffler made a huge mistake by waiting so long to say if they supported Trump on giving Americans 2,000 dollar checks and they allowed the Dems to completely dominate them when it came to the messaging on this

Both Ossoff/Warnock quickly came out and tweeted their support for Trump when he announced he wanted to give the American people 2,000 dollar checks. They have spent days saying that they agreed with trump and will back him on this.

Perdue/Loeffler both end up looking a lot weaker on this issue since voters are now going qestion why It took them so long to say that they supported Trump on this and why did not show thier support for this a lot sooner. Berinie will also bring all of this up during his fillbuster over the next few days. meaning they will have a lot of explaining to do.....

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« Reply #1509 on: December 29, 2020, 12:28:40 PM »

If Perdue backs the $2k checks, I'm voting for Ossoff. I don't see the point of voting R on the basis of fiscal conservatism if they're not going to even try to be fiscally prudent.
Fair enough, although you probably are in the minority with that opinion fwiw.
I would think a majority of the people would want the 2k stimulus checks.
At least that’s what the general consensus seems to be from what I’ve seen.
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« Reply #1510 on: December 29, 2020, 12:39:09 PM »

If Perdue backs the $2k checks, I'm voting for Ossoff. I don't see the point of voting R on the basis of fiscal conservatism if they're not going to even try to be fiscally prudent.
Fair enough, although you probably are in the minority with that opinion fwiw.
I would think a majority of the people would want the 2k stimulus checks.
At least that’s what the general consensus seems to be from what I’ve seen.

I realize most people want free money, but I'm still not convinced it's good economic policy. And while I somewhat understand the R calculation in supporting it, at some point, the party needs to stand by its principles. Do they really expect voters like me to believe they are a check on socialism if they can't even stand their ground on this? And they are never going to out-Dem the Dems on this issue either - I doubt voters are going to credit Perdue / Loeffler for a larger stimulus check when all the media has been talking about how it was Pelosi that really pushed it...
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« Reply #1511 on: December 29, 2020, 12:43:09 PM »




I have my doubts about it being a Biden + 20 electorate thus far, I could see the case for Biden + 14/15/16 but Biden + 20 seems like a stretch. If it really is anywhere close to that though, that's terrible news for the GOP as they will likely need to net 500k + votes. The early votes for Dems thus far are objectively better for Ds than they were in the general though, but that's not to say Perdue and Loeffler are underdogs.
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« Reply #1512 on: December 29, 2020, 12:58:06 PM »

With the results 6 days to go, and Ossoff's inevitable concession speech underway, let's throwback to 2017 when he got his ass handed to him, despite millions of dollars in his warchest, he ended up bizzarely conceding showing off his Obama impersonation, in what seems to be a desperate pander:



Yeah, wouldn't call a 51-48 loss "getting his ass handed to him"

That would be taking “vote your Ossoff” a bit too literally.
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« Reply #1513 on: December 29, 2020, 01:09:27 PM »

If Perdue backs the $2k checks, I'm voting for Ossoff. I don't see the point of voting R on the basis of fiscal conservatism if they're not going to even try to be fiscally prudent.

I think forsythvoter makes a great point here

ultimately the GOP is simply not going to win a "Who is willing to give the american people more money" war aginst the Dems

Also Ossoff/Warnock will most likely back Bernie when it comes to him trying to force Mitch to put the 2,000 dollar bill on the floor for a vote

Perdue/Loeffler are not willing to go that far and this I why I think many voters will end up being skeptical about both of them if thier words end up not matching thier actions when it comes to thier so called support for the 2,000 dollar stimulus check


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« Reply #1514 on: December 29, 2020, 01:46:09 PM »

8 pieces of mail and three texts today
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« Reply #1515 on: December 29, 2020, 01:53:52 PM »

If Perdue backs the $2k checks, I'm voting for Ossoff. I don't see the point of voting R on the basis of fiscal conservatism if they're not going to even try to be fiscally prudent.

I think forsythvoter makes a great point here

ultimately the GOP is simply not going to win a "Who is willing to give the american people more money" war aginst the Dems

Also Ossoff/Warnock will most likely back Bernie when it comes to him trying to force Mitch to put the 2,000 dollar bill on the floor for a vote

Perdue/Loeffler are not willing to go that far and this I why I think many voters will end up being skeptical about both of them if thier words end up not matching thier actions when it comes to thier so called support for the 2,000 dollar stimulus check




You're right, but if Perdue/Loeffler risk losing many more voters if they don't support the $2k. This issue might be the one issue that can break through polarization, partisanship, racism, etc, remember the "We're voting for the n*****" anecdote from SWPA in 2008?

Trump really hit the GOP right where it hurts with his statement, they have to choose between looking like spineless fools or heartless bastards.
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« Reply #1516 on: December 29, 2020, 01:55:49 PM »


How humiliating for them, to be forced by Trump to adopt their opponents' position by a vengeful Trump who still doesn't think they've done enough, even as they've debased themselves for him.
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« Reply #1517 on: December 29, 2020, 01:58:04 PM »

The D's will win these two Senate seats, pass the 2K checks in the new Congress and pass it thru Reconciliation or Filibuster reform, the D's will get these checks out, just not now
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« Reply #1518 on: December 29, 2020, 01:58:22 PM »

This runoff is weird.  The polls look Lean R, but the EV data looks Lean D, which is basically the opposite of November when the EV data was an early warning sign that many polls were off in favor of Dems (though less so in GA specifically).  IDK what is going on.  
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« Reply #1519 on: December 29, 2020, 02:04:47 PM »

This runoff is weird.  The polls look Lean R, but the EV data looks Lean D, which is basically the opposite of November when the EV data was an early warning sign that many polls were off in favor of Dems (though less so in GA specifically).  IDK what is going on.  

TBF, most people in November thought the EV data was generally good for Ds at the time; most of the warning signs were really only hindsight. Same thing could be true in these races.
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« Reply #1520 on: December 29, 2020, 02:10:39 PM »

Trump had the same 3/5 pt lead before the Election and lost to Biden in the Recount, that's why Ds will win, the polling in ATL and the suburbs are understated and moderates will for Ossoff and Warnock
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« Reply #1521 on: December 29, 2020, 02:12:00 PM »

If Perdue backs the $2k checks, I'm voting for Ossoff. I don't see the point of voting R on the basis of fiscal conservatism if they're not going to even try to be fiscally prudent.

There it is:




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« Reply #1522 on: December 29, 2020, 02:12:28 PM »

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« Reply #1523 on: December 29, 2020, 02:16:33 PM »

inb4 Atlas says 'populist' rock-solid conservatives in rural GA matter more to Loeffler/Perdue than fiscally responsible Atlanta suburbanites like forsythvoter
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« Reply #1524 on: December 29, 2020, 02:25:15 PM »

If Perdue backs the $2k checks, I'm voting for Ossoff. I don't see the point of voting R on the basis of fiscal conservatism if they're not going to even try to be fiscally prudent.

There it is:



Sad it had to come to this, but I guess Ossoff it is. I've frankly lost all respect for Perdue at this point. It's pretty clear he'll do whatever Trump wants regardless of ideology, which is just not what I'm looking for in a Senator.

If Dems win, I also hope they don't interpret the votes of voters like me as a full-sale approval of their fiscal policy. I don't think Dems should jumping so quickly on this more free money for everyone train either. I hope the party remembers this if they want my vote in 2022.
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