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« Reply #800 on: November 09, 2022, 09:24:21 AM »

I told myself to write my predictions down and, I swear, went down a rabbit hole. It’s hard to make them “consistent” (e.g., how does Fontes win without Hobbs). But I’m going with my gut here!

My expectation: the initial drop will be favorable to Dems. They need double digit leads to have any shot. If Kelly is not +10 out of Maricopa initially, he’s probably screwed.

My other expectation is that Kelly and Hobbs will be more tightly connected than you’d expect from most polls. HOWEVER, I do not know what that means downballot. The Sinema/Kelly/Biden voters have shown enormous willingness to vote Ds for a couple races at the top and then bleed red. That is the true mystery of this year.

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Senate: Kelly (D) 50 / Masters (R) 48.5 / Victor (L) 1.5

AZ-01: Schweikert (R) 52.5 / Hodge (D)  47.5
AZ-02: Crane (R)  54 / O’Halleran (D) 46 FLIP
AZ-06: Ciscomani (R)  51 / Engel (D) 49 FLIP

Gov: Lake (R) 50.3 / Hobbs (D) 49.7

Secretary of State: Fontes (D) 50.8 / Finchem (R) 49.2

Attorney General: Hamadeh (R) 52.5 / Mayes (D) 47.5

Superintendent of Public Instruction: Horne (R) 52 / Hoffman (D) 48

Treasurer: Yee (R) 56 / Quezada (D)  44

AZ House: 33 R / 27 D
AZ Senate: 17 R / 13 D

Proposition “Yes” wins: 128, 129, 130, 209, 211, 309
Proposition “No” wins: 131, 132, 308, 310

My prop results are as illogical as Kelly/Lake/Fontes/Hamadeh/Horne…

My predictions are basically going to pan out. Except for 128 landslide No …
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« Reply #801 on: November 09, 2022, 09:25:03 AM »

Lake calling out the guy who won six Arizona races in a row fair and square is... something.
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« Reply #802 on: November 09, 2022, 02:10:07 PM »

Katie Hobbs is DONE FOR if you believe Data Orbital
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« Reply #803 on: November 09, 2022, 02:34:58 PM »

I think you'd rather be Lake here, but it's certainly not over.
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« Reply #804 on: November 09, 2022, 04:00:14 PM »

Katie Hobbs is DONE FOR if you believe Data Orbital


good thing we don't Smiley
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« Reply #805 on: November 10, 2022, 10:01:37 AM »

Does anyone know how the remaining votes will break?
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« Reply #806 on: November 10, 2022, 10:05:00 AM »

Does anyone know how the remaining votes will break?

I feel like nobody can seriously answer that question.
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« Reply #807 on: November 10, 2022, 10:19:54 AM »

Kelly has this there are more Kelly/Lake voters than Hobbs/Masters voters
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« Reply #808 on: November 10, 2022, 09:08:19 PM »

Lake worries me as her candidate skills are formidable.  She certainly is a considerably better candidate than Blake Master race, who is a Peter Thiel propped up sham. 

Who would Hobbs/Master race voters be?  Frankly, both have weak candidate skills.

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« Reply #809 on: November 11, 2022, 12:19:46 AM »

Who would Hobbs/Master race voters be?  Frankly, both have weak candidate skills.

Single-issue anti-charisma voters.
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« Reply #810 on: November 11, 2022, 02:33:45 AM »

Does anyone know how the remaining votes will break?

Hold on let me get my magic eight ball
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« Reply #811 on: November 14, 2022, 01:46:07 PM »

Tom Horne pulled ahead in Superintendent Race against Kathy Hoffmann

While Lake is likely on track to lose it is pivotal, vitally important that Hamadeh wins in the Attorney Generals Race bcuz if we win that Race we then can put a check on Hobbs.
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« Reply #812 on: November 14, 2022, 08:52:44 PM »

Katie Hobbs is DONE FOR if you believe Data Orbital


Narrator: never believe Data Orbital.
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« Reply #813 on: November 14, 2022, 08:53:25 PM »

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« Reply #814 on: November 14, 2022, 08:57:53 PM »

Hobbs refusing to debate has to be one of the biggest campaign own-goals this cycle.

Lake hasn't been "begging" for a debate. She's been using Hobbs' refusal to debate as an attack against her, and if the polls are any indication, it has been an effective one.

Debates don't change anything unless someone makes a big gaffe. But refusing to debate does. It looks cowardly and weak even to the vast majority who don't watch debates.

The debate itself changes nothing; but you still have to agree to do it lest you look like you're a chicken.

Your belief is that Hobbs will still win because of how extreme Lake is? That the campaign which she's run matters little?

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« Reply #815 on: November 14, 2022, 09:02:34 PM »

The victory of the Hobbs campaign really gives hope to serial underachievers like me.
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« Reply #816 on: November 14, 2022, 09:17:11 PM »

You haven't seen the end of Kari Lake, I am warning you right now.

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« Reply #817 on: November 14, 2022, 09:33:13 PM »

You haven't seen the end of Kari Lake, I am warning you right now.
Maybe she'll go on Fox News or something. Who cares?
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« Reply #818 on: November 14, 2022, 09:48:02 PM »

Liz throwing bombs. lol
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« Reply #819 on: November 14, 2022, 09:54:22 PM »

Liz throwing bombs. lol


So stupid on Lake's part because AZ is exactly the kind of state where an old school Republican like Liz Cheney might actually carry weight.
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« Reply #820 on: November 14, 2022, 10:07:51 PM »

Liz throwing bombs. lol


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« Reply #821 on: November 14, 2022, 10:18:14 PM »

You haven't seen the end of Kari Lake, I am warning you right now.
Maybe she'll go on Fox News or something. Who cares?

You'll be singing a different tune when if she is Senator in 2025, Governor in 2027 or President in 2033
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« Reply #822 on: November 14, 2022, 10:19:31 PM »

I thought Lake was going to win for the large majority of this race.  I am glad I was wrong.  The reason I thought Lake would win was because she has superior campaigning skills to Hobbs.  We must be very grateful that Arizona voters saw through Lake's polished style to the election denier that she is.  Hobbs had already served as SoS, so perhaps people knew she was competent.
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« Reply #823 on: November 14, 2022, 10:35:02 PM »

You haven't seen the end of Kari Lake, I am warning you right now.
Maybe she'll go on Fox News or something. Who cares?

You'll be singing a different tune when if she is Senator in 2025, Governor in 2027 or President in 2033

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« Reply #824 on: November 14, 2022, 10:35:27 PM »

Seeing Kari Lake go down brings me right back to the elation and joy of election night and the day after. MAGA is done for.
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