Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 2024 megathread

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Hot take: she actually can't afford to wait more than a few cycles if she wants to launch a presidential bid. She is the next HRC in that she is the long-term Republican public enemy no. 1 and that means that no matter how she might politically evolve, she is slowly going to grow increasingly toxic to the national electorate.

She's a hip/cool populist working class hero that's VERY in touch with the younger generations.

Doesn't sound "toxic" or like Hillary to me. Sounds more like Bernie.

Working class hero? Nah.

Get out of your neoliberal wine mom bubble lmao.

Get out of your Brooklyn hipster bubble lmao. AOC definitely does not play well in blue collar middle America. You can make a case for electing her but that's not it. Her biggest fans are very obviously professional/managerial class millenial urbanites--incidentally people like me.

You think it's tech bros? Definitely not. You obviously have no clue what her constituency is like. I'll grant you her supporters are younger but it's not the same demographic as say Yang's who would fit that description very aptly.

Also your use of the word hipster betrays how out of touch you are. Brooklyn has been essentially two groups of people, natives and tech bros, for the last 15 years. Income and wealth inequality has become so extreme, no wonder the DSA is growing every election by leaps and bounds.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

Hot take: she actually can't afford to wait more than a few cycles if she wants to launch a presidential bid. She is the next HRC in that she is the long-term Republican public enemy no. 1 and that means that no matter how she might politically evolve, she is slowly going to grow increasingly toxic to the national electorate.

She's a hip/cool populist working class hero that's VERY in touch with the younger generations.

Doesn't sound "toxic" or like Hillary to me. Sounds more like Bernie.

Working class hero? Nah.

Get out of your neoliberal wine mom bubble lmao.

Get out of your Brooklyn hipster bubble lmao. AOC definitely does not play well in blue collar middle America. You can make a case for electing her but that's not it. Her biggest fans are very obviously professional/managerial class millenial urbanites--incidentally people like me.

Does it even matter? It's not like the DNC has ever cared about working class America to begin with, it's a lesson they still refuse to learn to this very day. At least AOC cares about labor rights for the common worker, something that Republicans and most establishment Democrats scoff at.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

Defund the Police ads ran all over the country, and they worked across the country, as evidenced by the House election results. Heck, one of the victims is (likely) your friend Max Rose. These sorts of socialist policies are losing, not gaining votes.

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Kendra Horn
Xochitl Torres-Small
Abby Finkenauer
Joe Cunningham
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell
Donna Shalala
Collin Peterson
Max Rose (likely)
Anthony Brindisi (likely)
Thomas Suozzi (possible)
Gil Cisneros (possible)
Harley Rouda (possible)
T.J. Cox (possible)

How many more victims must this socialist movement create before we realize that Dems are moving too far left and that sometimes, the base has to be told "NO"

[Never Made it to Graceland]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

Defund the Police ads ran all over the country, and they worked across the country, as evidenced by the House election results. Heck, one of the victims is (likely) your friend Max Rose. These sorts of socialist policies are losing, not gaining votes.

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Kendra Horn
Xochitl Torres-Small
Abby Finkenauer
Joe Cunningham
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell
Donna Shalala
Collin Peterson
Max Rose (likely)
Anthony Brindisi (likely)
Thomas Suozzi (possible)
Gil Cisneros (possible)
Harley Rouda (possible)
T.J. Cox (possible)

How many more victims must this socialist movement create before we realize that Dems are moving too far left and that sometimes, the base has to be told "NO"

My username is ironic. I hate Max Rose.

You sound like Abe Simpson yelling at clouds here, tbh. I'm more worried about human beings dying because they're murdered by cops and because they can't afford healthcare than I am about a few conservative Democrats losing because of policies they didn't even support. You need to follow the lead of swing district Representatives like Katie Porter who support single payer healthcare and aren't afraid to defend progressive policies and, oh yes, won reelection by 8 points in an R+3 district.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

You need to follow the lead of swing district Representatives like Katie Porter who support single payer healthcare and aren't afraid to defend progressive policies and, oh yes, won reelection by 8 points in an R+3 district.

CA-45 is very obviously not a swing district (let alone R favoring) anymore. Although Porter is a clear example of progressivism branded palatably.

[WD]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

Defund the Police ads ran all over the country, and they worked across the country, as evidenced by the House election results. Heck, one of the victims is (likely) your friend Max Rose. These sorts of socialist policies are losing, not gaining votes.

----------

Kendra Horn
Xochitl Torres-Small
Abby Finkenauer
Joe Cunningham
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell
Donna Shalala
Collin Peterson
Max Rose (likely)
Anthony Brindisi (likely)
Thomas Suozzi (possible)
Gil Cisneros (possible)
Harley Rouda (possible)
T.J. Cox (possible)

How many more victims must this socialist movement create before we realize that Dems are moving too far left and that sometimes, the base has to be told "NO"

My username is ironic. I hate Max Rose.

You sound like Abe Simpson yelling at clouds here, tbh. I'm more worried about human beings dying because they're murdered by cops and because they can't afford healthcare than I am about a few conservative Democrats losing because of policies they didn't even support. You need to follow the lead of swing district Representatives like Katie Porter who support single payer healthcare and aren't afraid to defend progressive policies and, oh yes, won reelection by 8 points in an R+3 district.

PVI is a poor and lagging indicator of partisan lean. It’s pretty Democratic leaning today. If Porter was in a district like Rose’s, would have lost. Seriously, where does this idea that Democrats can win conservative districts if they’re more left wing come from?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

Defund the Police ads ran all over the country, and they worked across the country, as evidenced by the House election results. Heck, one of the victims is (likely) your friend Max Rose. These sorts of socialist policies are losing, not gaining votes.

----------

Kendra Horn
Xochitl Torres-Small
Abby Finkenauer
Joe Cunningham
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell
Donna Shalala
Collin Peterson
Max Rose (likely)
Anthony Brindisi (likely)
Thomas Suozzi (possible)
Gil Cisneros (possible)
Harley Rouda (possible)
T.J. Cox (possible)

How many more victims must this socialist movement create before we realize that Dems are moving too far left and that sometimes, the base has to be told "NO"

My username is ironic. I hate Max Rose.

You sound like Abe Simpson yelling at clouds here, tbh. I'm more worried about human beings dying because they're murdered by cops and because they can't afford healthcare than I am about a few conservative Democrats losing because of policies they didn't even support. You need to follow the lead of swing district Representatives like Katie Porter who support single payer healthcare and aren't afraid to defend progressive policies and, oh yes, won reelection by 8 points in an R+3 district.

PVI is a poor and lagging indicator of partisan lean. It’s pretty Democratic leaning today. If Porter was in a district like Rose’s, would have lost. Seriously, where does this idea that Democrats can win conservative districts if they’re more left wing come from?

The last 2 Democratic Senators from Idaho weren't moderate heroes.

[WD]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

Defund the Police ads ran all over the country, and they worked across the country, as evidenced by the House election results. Heck, one of the victims is (likely) your friend Max Rose. These sorts of socialist policies are losing, not gaining votes.

----------

Kendra Horn
Xochitl Torres-Small
Abby Finkenauer
Joe Cunningham
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell
Donna Shalala
Collin Peterson
Max Rose (likely)
Anthony Brindisi (likely)
Thomas Suozzi (possible)
Gil Cisneros (possible)
Harley Rouda (possible)
T.J. Cox (possible)

How many more victims must this socialist movement create before we realize that Dems are moving too far left and that sometimes, the base has to be told "NO"

My username is ironic. I hate Max Rose.

You sound like Abe Simpson yelling at clouds here, tbh. I'm more worried about human beings dying because they're murdered by cops and because they can't afford healthcare than I am about a few conservative Democrats losing because of policies they didn't even support. You need to follow the lead of swing district Representatives like Katie Porter who support single payer healthcare and aren't afraid to defend progressive policies and, oh yes, won reelection by 8 points in an R+3 district.

PVI is a poor and lagging indicator of partisan lean. It’s pretty Democratic leaning today. If Porter was in a district like Rose’s, would have lost. Seriously, where does this idea that Democrats can win conservative districts if they’re more left wing come from?

The last 2 Democratic Senators from Idaho weren't moderate heroes.

New York sent Al D'Amato to the senate for several years. Your point?

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

Defund the Police ads ran all over the country, and they worked across the country, as evidenced by the House election results. Heck, one of the victims is (likely) your friend Max Rose. These sorts of socialist policies are losing, not gaining votes.

[snip]

How many more victims must this socialist movement create before we realize that Dems are moving too far left and that sometimes, the base has to be told "NO"

The DNC is too moderate, and nobody can make me believe otherwise. They're too busy sucking moderate-conservative dick instead of actually holding any real beliefs other than "sexual minorities and trans folk aren't literally mentally insane" or "we should maybe consider the fact that our planet is literally cooking to death" and whatnot. Go ahead and promote this moderate hero rhetoric if you want, just make sure to tell President Hillary Clinton about how being a centrist neoliberal helps you out in the voting booth.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

Defund the Police ads ran all over the country, and they worked across the country, as evidenced by the House election results. Heck, one of the victims is (likely) your friend Max Rose. These sorts of socialist policies are losing, not gaining votes.

[snip]

How many more victims must this socialist movement create before we realize that Dems are moving too far left and that sometimes, the base has to be told "NO"

The DNC is too moderate, and nobody can make me believe otherwise. They're too busy sucking moderate-conservative dick instead of actually holding any real beliefs other than "sexual minorities and trans folk aren't literally mentally insane" or "we should maybe consider the fact that our planet is literally cooking to death" and whatnot. Go ahead and promote this moderate hero rhetoric if you want, just make sure to tell President Hillary Clinton about how being a centrist neoliberal helps you out in the voting booth.

I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary or the general election, so this is just lol

[Agafin]

She won't win the primary if she runs. Black voters + white seniors will make up at least half of the democratic primary electorate and she's bound to have the same problems with them that all left wing democrats have.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

Defund the Police ads ran all over the country, and they worked across the country, as evidenced by the House election results. Heck, one of the victims is (likely) your friend Max Rose. These sorts of socialist policies are losing, not gaining votes.

[snip]

How many more victims must this socialist movement create before we realize that Dems are moving too far left and that sometimes, the base has to be told "NO"

The DNC is too moderate, and nobody can make me believe otherwise. They're too busy sucking moderate-conservative dick instead of actually holding any real beliefs other than "sexual minorities and trans folk aren't literally mentally insane" or "we should maybe consider the fact that our planet is literally cooking to death" and whatnot. Go ahead and promote this moderate hero rhetoric if you want, just make sure to tell President Hillary Clinton about how being a centrist neoliberal helps you out in the voting booth.

I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton in the primary or the general election, so this is just lol

That's not my point, my point is that this moderate do-nothing philosophy that the Democrats currently hold is not going to help them win elections. Until they reach out to laborers and oppressed groups more and try to actually get economic and social reform done instead of virtue signaling about how #woke they are, the Republicans will live rent-free in Washington for the next century.

[Alcibiades]

You need to follow the lead of swing district Representatives like Katie Porter who support single payer healthcare and aren't afraid to defend progressive policies and, oh yes, won reelection by 8 points in an R+3 district.

CA-45 is very obviously not a swing district (let alone R favoring) anymore. Although Porter is a clear example of progressivism branded palatably.

Exactly. It is not Democrats in genuine swing districts who need to follow Porter’s example the most, it is the Squad.

[Coldstream]

Can’t see any reason to think she’d do better than Sanders if she runs, Sanders had a pretty low ceiling and she arguably has even less appeal outside of the base than he did. But I agree with the above that she should run/it would be her best chance to win. Because before long she’ll end up as the GOP’s new boogeyman figure like Clinton was.

[Ogre Mage]

She would be wise to win a U.S. Senate seat or NY Governor first if she ever becomes serious about being a presidential candidate.  In 2024 an AOC run would just be a vanity campaign.  U.S. Senator Ocasio-Cortez in 2032 would not be.

[jaymichaud]

Didn’t she turns a +65 Democratic district to +38 Dem?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

AOC made the bold claim that if Pelosi held up the Stimulus in time for the Election, D's will get a Supermajority Senate, and D's didn't even winME and NC, because D's and Indies like Tillis and Collins. AOC would lose Latinos and AA males, because AOC endorsed Markey over Joe Kennedy and Joe Kennedy was a role model for AA and Latinos, but Minority females would vote for her, but not minority men

[LAKISYLVANIA]

If Democrats are decent enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist, it will be my pleasure to back the Democratic Nominee.

and that's why IA should always go first!

[LAKISYLVANIA]

If Democrats are stupid enough to nominate a Defund the Police, M4A, Green New Deal, Pack the Courts Socialist from the east coast, it will be my pleasure to back the Libertarian Nominee, or perhaps a Republican who demonstrates clear differences from Trump.

Bye, Felisha.

Defund the Police ads ran all over the country, and they worked across the country, as evidenced by the House election results. Heck, one of the victims is (likely) your friend Max Rose. These sorts of socialist policies are losing, not gaining votes.

----------

Kendra Horn
Xochitl Torres-Small
Abby Finkenauer
Joe Cunningham
Debbie Mucarsel-Powell
Donna Shalala
Collin Peterson
Max Rose (likely)
Anthony Brindisi (likely)
Thomas Suozzi (possible)
Gil Cisneros (possible)
Harley Rouda (possible)
T.J. Cox (possible)

How many more victims must this socialist movement create before we realize that Dems are moving too far left and that sometimes, the base has to be told "NO"

none of those are socialist.

Being a moderate worked very well for Biden who very narrowly won against the most disliked incumbent ever.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Didn’t she turns a +65 Democratic district to +38 Dem?

Only 71% counted

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

If The democrats nominate AOC they literally will be nominating a modern WJB

You promise?

[European Lefty]

A better strategy for progressive Democrats would be to accept that Harris will be the 2024 nominee if she wants it and spend the next 8 years getting their current supporters in Congress into high-profile positions (the Senate, governorships etc.) whilst "growing" new figures who can be leaders in future.

AOC is already too tainted by Republican smears and her self-description as a socialist. Her role in the future should be continuing to play to the Base and keep them enthused, as well as convincing them that the compromises her wing will inevitably have to make aren't actually a betrayal

[chickentitilater]

if the DNC doesn't rig the primary against her, hopefully

[NeederNodder]

Hopefully she makes a real effort in the south and with black voters. We cannot the same mistakes Bernie did in 2016 and in 2024 in the south.