WARNING to the Republican Party: Don't go back to Reform or NeoConservatism!
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2020, 11:20:44 PM »

The GOP never arrived at economic populism, so it can’t really “go back,” haha.
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2020, 11:53:01 PM »

The days of the Haley, Rubio, Romney type candidate is over.  Don’t ever try to run someone like that again.

For what it's worth, Rubio has become bizarrely economically populist and dare I say...socialist.
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2020, 11:55:54 PM »

The days of the Haley, Rubio, Romney type candidate is over.  Don’t ever try to run someone like that again.

For what it's worth, Rubio has become bizarrely economically populist and dare I say...socialist.
Let’s dispel with this fiction that Marco Rubio doesn’t know what he’s doing, he knows exactly what he’s doing!
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« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2020, 12:40:03 AM »

I'm going to have to agree with RINO Tom on this one. The GOP never changed its economic agenda and for all intended purposes still resemble the same brand of conservatism it was during the Reagan era. So you can't return back to something that you are currently in.

I think right the GOP base populism is less bassed on economic and more centered around a counterhegemony. You know that same old talk on the right that the elites are trying to implement a dominant ideology that everybody must be educated, urban, and liberal. Like I personally wish that was true.   
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« Reply #29 on: November 07, 2020, 02:10:59 AM »

The thing is, the Republican Party will never consider the American Solidarity Party's approach to governance. They are still the party of business and big money donors, even if the Democrats are expanding to it. The Dems might be in the pocket of Hollywood, Silicon Valley, some of Wall Street, and much of Corporate America, but the Republicans will still be the pocket of the rest of Wall Street, Corporate America, defense contractors, and Chamber of Commerce-attending local small time business owners. Despite neoliberalism's grasp of the Democratic Party, everyone knows that the Dems won't be pushing tax cuts, or as aggressively pushing deregulation or privatization like the Republican Party does.

So no, economic populism is a dead letter in the GOP. It will be a gimmick that many candidates will try on but none will stick to it. The party was founded by classical liberals; it is an inescapable aspect of the party.
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« Reply #30 on: November 07, 2020, 12:36:05 PM »

The days of the Haley, Rubio, Romney type candidate is over.  Don’t ever try to run someone like that again.

For what it's worth, Rubio has become bizarrely economically populist and dare I say...socialist.
Let’s dispel with this fiction that Marco Rubio doesn’t know what he’s doing, he knows exactly what he’s doing!

And even to the degree he's becoming more "populist," he is not becoming a "socialist" for God's sake.

Some of you sound like you honestly think Kamala Harris will be campaigning on lower corporate tax rates and cleaning up wasteful spending in 2024 against Josh Hawley channeling his inner Huey Long, lol.  These "changes" in rhetoric are so much more subtle than that, and we likely won't EVER see a Presidential candidate for the GOP running "to the left" of the Democrat on economics (I and others here would maintain we might never have before, even).  If we do, it will be after a ridiculously unprecedented, dynamic-shattering event.
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« Reply #31 on: November 07, 2020, 03:03:23 PM »

Best Candidate Republicans can put forward is Ron DeSantis. He is a Trump ally but he showed until the Pandemic strucked the US that he can govern. His Approvals were sky high and they still look somewhat decent despite COVID-19.
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« Reply #32 on: November 07, 2020, 03:33:12 PM »

Reformism was tacked on in the 1990s to get the Perot Voters to vote Republican for House. Term Limits, balanced budget amendment, gerrymandering reform etc etc. The fact that Paul Ryan labeled his agenda as Reformism, doesn't mean that actual reformism is or should be tossed aside. They are two different things.
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« Reply #33 on: November 07, 2020, 03:48:07 PM »

At the very least, I want to see them stop with anti-science.

Agreed. Climate change is a very real and pressing threat. You don't have to support AOC's Green New Deal, but you can come with alternative solutions.

GOP: something something academic elitists, something something socialist propaganda, something something big money special interests, something something crony capitalism.

The ability of the GOP to use populist rhetoric to defend the interests of massive petroleum corporations and automakers amazes me.
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« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2020, 04:05:44 PM »

ITT: People recommend to the GOP (a party that will get somewhere around 47-48% of the vote this election) to adopt the party strategies and platform of the American Solidarity Party (a party that will be lucky to even get 0.05% of the vote)

And the "third party" excuse doesn't really work given they are behind Jorgensen and Hawkins in all states where they were in the ballot.

Hell, they were behind even people like Kanye West and Don Blankenship in many states!
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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2020, 04:07:46 PM »

At the very least, I want to see them stop with anti-science.

Agreed. Climate change is a very real and pressing threat. You don't have to support AOC's Green New Deal, but you can come with alternative solutions.

GOP: something something academic elitists, something something socialist propaganda, something something big money special interests, something something crony capitalism.

The ability of the GOP to use populist rhetoric to defend the interests of massive petroleum corporations and automakers amazes me.

If only you could produce a candidate with the combination of Bernie’s policies + GOP fighting rhetoric against elites... Working classes would have some linger of hope in the fight against forced modernization, de-industrialization and globalist savage capitalism crushing local small economies.

These people are completely alone and situation will keep worsening. Democrats are disgusted by them and ignore them because they aren’t elites, while republicans constantly lie and canalize their energy into a pro-capitalism message in order to prevent them from achieving class consciousness that could be used to turn against the oppressive system and destroy it. These people are trapped and have no representation, they’re invisible.
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