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« on: November 04, 2020, 12:54:11 PM »

The process is systematically flawed until we get rid of the Electoral College. We can only hope the Democrats get enough votes spread out in enough swing states to overcome the unfair disadvantage. And frankly just the existence of the Senate is problematic, and the House needs to stop gerrymandering. Hopefully the Supreme Court and the states don’t stop the counting of legal mail ballots simply because the system failed to deliver and count them within 12 hours due to being underfunded and understaffed.

Remember, people who think they benefit from the system tend to vote for the system, no matter how flawed — there was no shift in consciousness, no widespread awakening in empathy, since 2016. We have a deeply flawed government that fails to bring out the best in a lot of people. We can only hope the flawed candidate beats the abomination despite these systematic disadvantages. Though even if Biden wins, it looks like his legislative agenda will likely be blocked by a Republican Senate.



Overall it’s looking right now like:
-Biden might eke out an Electoral College win, due to Arizona, some of the Midwest, and a district in Nebraska
-Republicans probably keep the Senate
-Dems don’t expand their lead in the House much, might actually lose some seats
-Trumpism is here to stay

If this is true, the first 2 years of Biden’s presidency will be focused on reversing Trump’s executive orders, adding a few of his own, a focus on foreign policy, and maybe occasionally reaching out to Republican senators to plead for some key votes. It’s not nothing, especially with executive orders, and just having a competent and compassionate cabinet again. We will find out in 2022 if voters decide to blame the lack of legislative progress on Biden or on the Republican Senate. I sure hope Democrats drill it into the people’s mind that the Republican Senate will be the obstacle.
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2020, 01:03:29 PM »

The Electoral College is the single best thing.
It preserves stability of the country and does not allow the tyranny of small majorities.
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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2020, 01:08:13 PM »


Yes, the tyranny of minority rule is much better.
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2020, 01:10:06 PM »

We don't live in a democracy and 51% of the population telling the other 49% what to do is worse than 49% telling the 51% what to do if they come from a more dispersed geography.
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2020, 01:16:51 PM »

We don't live in a democracy and 51% of the population telling the other 49% what to do is worse than 49% telling the 51% what to do if they come from a more dispersed geography.
You’re right, we don’t live in a democracy.

But we should.
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2020, 01:18:16 PM »

We don't live in a democracy and 51% of the population telling the other 49% what to do is worse than 49% telling the 51% what to do if they come from a more dispersed geography.

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2020, 02:24:36 PM »

51% of the population telling the other 49% what to do is worse than 49% telling the 51% what to do if they come from a more dispersed geography.

That's dumb.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2020, 02:27:41 PM »

We don't live in a democracy and 51% of the population telling the other 49% what to do is worse than 49% telling the 51% what to do if they come from a more dispersed geography.

If that is meant in the way of "We are a republic, not a democracy", then it is an absolutely stupid thing to say because anyone who says that has no idea how government works.

If that is just a factual statement - yes, that's right, and it's a problem.
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2020, 02:29:26 PM »

We don't live in a democracy and 51% of the population telling the other 49% what to do is worse than 49% telling the 51% what to do if they come from a more dispersed geography.

That is not what the Electoral College was designed to do, nor what it's ever done, nor what it does today. It effectively ensures that literally two-thirds of American states have effectively no real stay in the selection of a president because their states are so overwhelmingly partisan that their votes are meaningless.

This whole we are a republic not a democracy blah blah blah trope is intellectually lazy fodder for defending an Antiquated and fundamentally broken voting system.

The way to ensure 51% of the population not telling the other 49% how they can live is the Constitution and its protection of Liberties such as keeping a town that votes 99.9% in a referendum to shut down all mosques from being able to do so. Not, repeat not, having 47% of the country tell the other 53% who their president is going to be.
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