2020 Presidential Election Results & Exit Polls commentary thread

[Blair]

It's absurd to blame "socialism" for Biden's (and the Democrats') failures among Latinos.  If Latinos were uniquely averse to "socialism", they wouldn't have overwhelmingly voted for Bernie in the primary.

The reason Biden failed among Latinos is that he made almost no effort to appeal to Latinos in either his presentation or policy focus.  Choosing Harris as a running mate was a huge mistake in this sense.  Say what you will about Tim Kaine's other weaknesses, but at least he spoke fluent Spanish and would frequent give speeches on the campaign trail in Spanish.

Moreover, this biggest moral crimes committed by the Trump administration throughout the term were on immigration.  Yet Biden almost entirely ignored this issue in favor of a focus on covid and BLM issues.  How can the communities most personally affected by Trump's immigration atrocities fail to notice this?

Yeah, I know it's trendy for everyone to absolutely hate Tim Kaine and call him the worst VP pick ever, but I wonder if the latino result in this election helps vindicate the Kaine pick somewhat.  You may have thought it was goofy, but Kaine made a real effort to reach out to latinos.  Kaine was out there in AZ/FL giving speeches entirely in fluent spanish.

I hear you, but I'm pretty sure Biden's dropoff among Hispanics went far deeper than the fact Tim Kaine speaks Spanish.

And despite the late Clinton admin's problems with Florida Cubans iirc both Clintons were extremely popular with the hispanic community (someone will correct me but I think she did very well in the '08 primary with them too)

[roxas11]

Imagine being naive enough to think Trump voters care about policy.  Spanberger should know better!

I cant wait for the tea party to come back and pretend to care about deficits and out of control agian lol

[BudgieForce]

Imagine being naive enough to think Trump voters care about policy.  Spanberger should know better!

I cant wait for the tea party to come back and pretend to care about deficits and out of control agian lol

Republicans screaming about the deficit is going to be one of my least favorite parts about a Biden administration.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for the beautiful people of the City of Philadelphia to take Trump to the woodshed Gritty-style. It's hockey night in America. Life is beautiful.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1324460508263731202

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

It's absurd to blame "socialism" for Biden's (and the Democrats') failures among Latinos.  If Latinos were uniquely averse to "socialism", they wouldn't have overwhelmingly voted for Bernie in the primary.

The reason Biden failed among Latinos is that he made almost no effort to appeal to Latinos in either his presentation or policy focus.  Choosing Harris as a running mate was a huge mistake in this sense.  Say what you will about Tim Kaine's other weaknesses, but at least he spoke fluent Spanish and would frequent give speeches on the campaign trail in Spanish.

Moreover, this biggest moral crimes committed by the Trump administration throughout the term were on immigration.  Yet Biden almost entirely ignored this issue in favor of a focus on covid and BLM issues.  How can the communities most personally affected by Trump's immigration atrocities fail to notice this?

Yeah, I know it's trendy for everyone to absolutely hate Tim Kaine and call him the worst VP pick ever, but I wonder if the latino result in this election helps vindicate the Kaine pick somewhat.  You may have thought it was goofy, but Kaine made a real effort to reach out to latinos.  Kaine was out there in AZ/FL giving speeches entirely in fluent spanish.

I hear you, but I'm pretty sure Biden's dropoff among Hispanics went far deeper than the fact Tim Kaine speaks Spanish.

And despite the late Clinton admin's problems with Florida Cubans iirc both Clintons were extremely popular with the hispanic community (someone will correct me but I think she did very well in the '08 primary with them too)

"Florida has the most elderly voters in the nation with a heavy percentage of Hispanic/Latino voters. According to exit polls,[citation needed] 66 percent of voters in the Florida Democratic Primary were Caucasian and they opted for Clinton 53-23-20 (Clinton-Obama-Edwards) along with the 12 percent of Hispanic/Latino voters who backed Clinton 59-30-8; this contrasts with the 19 percent of African American voters who supported Obama 73-25-1."
from wiki of the 2008 Dem primary in FL

[BigSerg]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1324460672172859396?s=20

[pppolitics]

I mean I’m glad Spanberger hung on but girl like.... complaining about a BLM attack ad against you and blaming leadership? It’s called a campaign. Learn to run one better next time so you can fight off these attacks.

She's right though.

"Defund the police" sounds really bad.

Cool. No one in the Democratic leadership ever said to defund the police. So, again, Spanberger should be able to run her own campaign without blaming others for nearly losing.

But Rashida Tlaib and AOC were all about defunding and their words were used against DMP and Spanberger

Awesome. Maybe Spanberger should complain about them then? But to be honest, she really should take responsibility for her own election results. Stop scapegoating others for your own crappy results.

Spanberger is saying that the leadership should have put its foot down and tell Rashida Tlaib and AOC to knock it off, or else...

LOL Yeah let's muzzle the best rising star in the Democratic Party and pulverize youth turnout.

Deflecting blame is pathetic. Put forward a vision instead of handing Trump and the GOP the narrative.

LOL @ "Rashida Tlaib and AOC" as "the best rising stars"

[Blair]

I've also said it before but the democratic joy of infighting & navel gazing makes it too easy to see this as solely a democratic failure; rather than a democratic failure & good republican outreach work

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

I mean I’m glad Spanberger hung on but girl like.... complaining about a BLM attack ad against you and blaming leadership? It’s called a campaign. Learn to run one better next time so you can fight off these attacks.

She's right though.

"Defund the police" sounds really bad.

Cool. No one in the Democratic leadership ever said to defund the police. So, again, Spanberger should be able to run her own campaign without blaming others for nearly losing.

But Rashida Tlaib and AOC were all about defunding and their words were used against DMP and Spanberger

Awesome. Maybe Spanberger should complain about them then? But to be honest, she really should take responsibility for her own election results. Stop scapegoating others for your own crappy results.

Spanberger is saying that the leadership should have put its foot down and tell Rashida Tlaib and AOC to knock it off, or else...

LOL Yeah let's muzzle the best rising star in the Democratic Party and pulverize youth turnout.

Deflecting blame is pathetic. Put forward a vision instead of handing Trump and the GOP the narrative.

The best rising star? Kamala Harris?

Anyway, we are putting forward a vision. They just suck up all the oxygen in the room. And for the record, I think kicking them out of the caucus is a bridge too far but asking people to change their messaging is fine. Don't identify as a democratic socialist. It doesn't actually accomplish anything and distracts voters from real messaging. Don't use the phrases "abolish" and "defund" when you're really talking about reforming flawed but not unpopular institutions. Push left behind the scenes if you like but always pretend to be more moderate than you actually are.

[Bootes Void]

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1324460672172859396?s=20

This might net Biden some more votes but this process has been slow so far

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1324419978465026059

[It’s so Joever]

https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1324460508263731202

Yessssss, let the party fracturing begin!

[President Johnson]

Joe Biden speaking now on Covid and Economic situation. He expresses confidence in winning and urges everyone to stay calm. Sounds like a President-elect.

[DrScholl]

https://twitter.com/SenLandrieu/status/1324450598117363713

[roxas11]

Anyways, if these losers are looking for someone outside of themselves to blame for their electoral performance, why don't they blame Robby Mook? Have no idea how they gave that clown the Majority PAC after 2016's unmitigated embarrassment.

As I’ve said before, I think Hillary’s campaign has been at least somewhat vindicated by the closeness of this election. Despite everything seeming to favor Biden more, despite him correcting basically everything her campaign was criticized for, he still only did slightly better. It’s enough, sure, but it’s not nearly as huge an improvement as you might expect. Pretty clear now that it’s less that Hillary was a bad candidate with a bad campaign and more that Trump just is not easy to beat due to how much he fires up WWC rural voters.

It seems that people didn't want to acknowledge Trump was a genuinely strong candidate in his own right.

Trump is so strong that he looks like he is about to lose 2 red states like AZ and GA while Barely winning TX

No other republican in my life time has ever struggled that badly in any those states

[Bootes Void]

Btw does anyone know did the " squad members" do compared to Biden in their district(so far?). This can tell us if they actually have alot of appeal or not

[Crumpets]

I've also said it before but the democratic joy of infighting & navel gazing makes it too easy to see this as solely a democratic failure; rather than a democratic failure & good republican outreach work

Or we can just take the Republican tactic of "Joe Biden won in a landslide. The only reason he didn't win by 10% with 413 electoral votes was because of voter fraud. 100% of new voters going to Trump in the Rio Grande Valley? Very suspicious!"

[It’s so Joever]

Anyways, if these losers are looking for someone outside of themselves to blame for their electoral performance, why don't they blame Robby Mook? Have no idea how they gave that clown the Majority PAC after 2016's unmitigated embarrassment.

As I’ve said before, I think Hillary’s campaign has been at least somewhat vindicated by the closeness of this election. Despite everything seeming to favor Biden more, despite him correcting basically everything her campaign was criticized for, he still only did slightly better. It’s enough, sure, but it’s not nearly as huge an improvement as you might expect. Pretty clear now that it’s less that Hillary was a bad candidate with a bad campaign and more that Trump just is not easy to beat due to how much he fires up WWC rural voters.

It seems that people didn't want to acknowledge Trump was a genuinely strong candidate in his own right.

yeah trump is so strong that he looks like he is about to lose 2 red states like AZ and GA while Barely winning TX

no other republican in my life time has ever struggled that badly in any those states

You are such a partisan hack at this point it’s outrageous.

[Badger]

Anyways, if these losers are looking for someone outside of themselves to blame for their electoral performance, why don't they blame Robby Mook? Have no idea how they gave that clown the Majority PAC after 2016's unmitigated embarrassment.

As I’ve said before, I think Hillary’s campaign has been at least somewhat vindicated by the closeness of this election. Despite everything seeming to favor Biden more, despite him correcting basically everything her campaign was criticized for, he still only did slightly better. It’s enough, sure, but it’s not nearly as huge an improvement as you might expect. Pretty clear now that it’s less that Hillary was a bad candidate with a bad campaign and more that Trump just is not easy to beat due to how much he fires up WWC rural voters.

It seems that people didn't want to acknowledge Trump was a genuinely strong candidate in his own right.

I'm sorry, maybe this is one of those "I don't understand how McGovern lost, nobody I know voted for Nixon" moments, but I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that the American people are that simple-minded that trump was actually a good candidates rather than elected despite his overwhelming personal and political flaws.

 2016 was explainable in some ways between Hillary being probably the most divisive political figure of the previous quarter century, her campaign got massively overconfident  to the level of malpractice by pouring resources into places like New Orleans  but not campaigning at all in Wisconsin, the last minute Comey press sabotage Hillary as perhaps the most effective October surprise in decades, and then Trump pulling an inside straight with the Electoral College by the skin of his ass in 3 States.

I would like to think that the Biden campaign similarly committed electoral malpractice in Hispanic Outreach, but reports then Trump may have actually want as much as one in for African American male votes tells me - - - something completely different I again can't begin to wrap my head around.

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/1324455639679160321

[BudgieForce]

I've also said it before but the democratic joy of infighting & navel gazing makes it too easy to see this as solely a democratic failure; rather than a democratic failure & good republican outreach work

Or we can just take the Republican tactic of "Joe Biden won in a landslide. The only reason he didn't win by 10% with 413 electoral votes was because of voter fraud. 100% of new voters going to Trump in the Rio Grande Valley? Very suspicious!"

We should start selling merchandise of our big, electoral landslide like they did for Trump after 2016.

[HisGrace]

https://twitter.com/SenLandrieu/status/1324450598117363713

Nah man, both are true.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1324419978465026059

Christ. Just end it.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Btw does anyone know did the " squad members" do compared to Biden in their district(so far?). This can tell us if they actually have alot of appeal or not

Omar is running about 15 points behind Biden.