2020 Presidential Election Results & Exit Polls commentary thread

[Jens]

Just out of curiosity:

Is there any sense of talks in United States about changing this outdated eclection system? To be honest it is extremely hard to find  valid reasons in todays world that one of the two candidates may lead by millions of votes but potentially losing the US election.

Or is this no discussion at all? What would be required to change this - 2/3 in Congress? (of course will never happen).

Welcome, friend!

So there has been discussion about change.  But one of the biggest roadblocks is a sense of "well this is the way things have always been" and "we shouldn't let the population centers decide the Presidency". 

And some people prefer the current system because of its flaws. They benefit some parts of the country, the more rural parts and lowers the influence of the big cities.

[ultraviolet]

Perdue/Ossoff is certainly going to a runoff, Perdue is over 50 by only 5k right now

[forsythvoter]

Woke up and see I missed a lot of anxiety over GA, PA and AZ lol. I've been tracking the results myself so can see what's been happening. For folks wondering what the situation with GA is, this is the right version (Dave Wasserman also just confirmed). There are 25K ballots left to count today. However, Fulton and some other counties counted a large batch of ballots last night that have not been reported. There should be around 35K unreported ballots that will be reported this morning in addition to the remaining ballots that will be counted.

So, the votes are definitely there for Biden to still win GA. He will need about 65% of the unreported ballots and uncounted ballots, so it comes down to where those are coming from.

https://twitter.com/SammysWorld2/status/1324325620038459394

[ultraviolet]

So Dave Wasserman is saying he doesn’t believe there are only 120k uncounted ballots in Philadelphia. That would be a decrease in turnout there

Isn’t Philly a city that is shrinking in population ?

If the population of a city is shrinking (especially because of American citizens moving out), raw turnout could decrease, while other parts of the country see an increase.

Also, ballots are being received in PA today and tomorrow.

There could be slightly more than 120.000 left then.

Philly is growing slightly, but Wayne MI had 11% vote growth despite a shrinking population

[Figueira]

Just out of curiosity:

Is there any sense of talks in United States about changing this outdated eclection system? To be honest it is extremely hard to find  valid reasons in todays world that one of the two candidates may lead by millions of votes but potentially losing the US election.

Or is this no discussion at all? What would be required to change this - 2/3 in Congress? (of course will never happen).

Welcome, friend!

So there has been discussion about change.  But one of the biggest roadblocks is a sense of "well this is the way things have always been" and "we shouldn't let the population centers decide the Presidency". 

And some people prefer the current system because of its flaws. They benefit some parts of the country, the more rural parts and lowers the influence of the big cities.

This is a myth. The electoral college only benefits whatever states happen to be swing states.

[JerryArkansas]

So Dave Wasserman is saying he doesn’t believe there are only 120k uncounted ballots in Philadelphia. That would be a decrease in turnout there

Isn’t Philly a city that is shrinking in population ?

If the population of a city is shrinking (especially because of American citizens moving out), raw turnout could decrease, while other parts of the country see an increase.

Also, ballots are being received in PA today and tomorrow.

There could be slightly more than 120.000 left then.

No it's slightly growing, and if Wayne, a county with a decreasing population can have more votes than 2016 Philly can too.  The only thing I can think that could explain it is if the post office kept the votes, which would be a sh**tshow none of us want.

[BlueSwan]

I really wish that EVERY TV journalist would reply to Republicans complaining about these VBM ballots being counted late, that this is the way it is SOLELY because that is the way republican legislatures in those states wanted it to be.

[Jens]

So Dave Wasserman is saying he doesn’t believe there are only 120k uncounted ballots in Philadelphia. That would be a decrease in turnout there

Isn’t Philly a city that is shrinking in population ?

If the population of a city is shrinking (especially because of American citizens moving out), raw turnout could decrease, while other parts of the country see an increase.

Also, ballots are being received in PA today and tomorrow.

There could be slightly more than 120.000 left then.

Only slidely and in no way an explanation for a lower level of voting compared to 2016

[Alben Barkley]

https://twitter.com/BrianSimsPA/status/1324342271861547008?s=20

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://twitter.com/BrianSimsPA/status/1324342271861547008?s=20

I Want To Believe, but isn't this the hack who "counter-hassled" that pro-life protester a couple years back?

[Tender Branson]

So Dave Wasserman is saying he doesn’t believe there are only 120k uncounted ballots in Philadelphia. That would be a decrease in turnout there

Isn’t Philly a city that is shrinking in population ?

If the population of a city is shrinking (especially because of American citizens moving out), raw turnout could decrease, while other parts of the country see an increase.

Also, ballots are being received in PA today and tomorrow.

There could be slightly more than 120.000 left then.

No it's slightly growing, and if Wayne, a county with a decreasing population can have more votes than 2016 Philly can too.

But is Philly slightly growing in population because of American citizens, or because of foreigners moving in ?

There could be for example 20.000 foreigners moving in each year to Philly, and 15.000 Americans out ...

What are the voter registration #s in the city in Nov. 16 and now ?

[Nyvin]

So Dave Wasserman is saying he doesn’t believe there are only 120k uncounted ballots in Philadelphia. That would be a decrease in turnout there

Isn’t Philly a city that is shrinking in population ?

If the population of a city is shrinking (especially because of American citizens moving out), raw turnout could decrease, while other parts of the country see an increase.

Also, ballots are being received in PA today and tomorrow.

There could be slightly more than 120.000 left then.

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/BrianSimsPA/status/1324342271861547008?s=20

Ballgame

[Torie]

If the Dem margin gets close to falling below 100K, that should supercharge the Pub lawsuits. They probably don't have much merit, but I was not retained as counsel to feel particularly competent to opine. So much spin out there. Maybe that is why I have these little bouts of vertigo.

[forsythvoter]

See my post a few posts up. The GA SOS should be the source of truth. There are about 25K uncounted ballots. What AJC is trying to say is that there were a bunch of ballots counted last night that have not been reported. This is what the non-partisan election pundits are reporting as well.

https://twitter.com/gelliottmorris/status/1324348271003897857

I mean

[BigSerg]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324353932022480896?s=19

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324353932022480896?s=19

Ah, there it is.  

Also, the count is what's potentially going to save you in Arizona, you stupid stupid man. 

[DrScholl]

https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1324347100096856066

[forsythvoter]

Yes, this shouldn't be a surprise. GA SOS said there were 90K ballots left to count yesterday, but the NYT times total show only about 30K new ballots since then.

https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1324347100096856066

[SunSt0rm]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324353932022480896?s=19

He knows he lost when they stop the count in Arizona and Nevada

But very dangerous this

[wbrocks67]

CNN saying 140,000 left to count in Philly, 28,000 in bucks.

and the key here is: is it 140k left to count as of *this moment*? As in, there could've been like 50K counted overnight that just haven't been reported yet, and that doesn't even reflect any of the 140 that are still left to count.

[Epaminondas]

I really wish that EVERY TV journalist would reply to Republicans complaining about these VBM ballots being counted late, that this is the way it is SOLELY because that is the way republican legislatures in those states wanted it to be.

YES. Classic GOP tactics though: sabotage public service, then use poor public service to claim private corporations would do better.

[wbrocks67]

So Dave Wasserman is saying he doesn’t believe there are only 120k uncounted ballots in Philadelphia. That would be a decrease in turnout there

Isn’t Philly a city that is shrinking in population ?

If the population of a city is shrinking (especially because of American citizens moving out), raw turnout could decrease, while other parts of the country see an increase.

Also, ballots are being received in PA today and tomorrow.

There could be slightly more than 120.000 left then.

No. As of the end of registration this year, 1.1M voters were registered in Philly, the most in 35 years.

https://billypenn.com/2020/10/25/philadelphia-has-the-highest-number-of-registered-voters-in-25-years/

[hyouzel the predictor]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1324353932022480896?s=19

Tweets like this are going to get innocent people killed. Someone needs to take away his phone before he causes a violent attack from his supporters.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I imagine the Trump campaign will continue to file lawsuits throughout the day, but I do not see any of them being successful because, as most know, you need evidence of fraud to be successful. Merely saying there is widespread fraud will not cut it.