What's stopping Nikki Haley in 2024?
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« on: October 28, 2020, 06:07:56 PM »

She's got establishment support and the retail politics for Iowa and New Hampshire. Not to mention
South Carolina in the bag. She's got the foreign policy credibility for the new tensions with China. She IS the Republican autopsy that was about including women and minorities in the party. She'll rip off head cleanly in the primary and general debates.

What's stopping her?
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2020, 06:08:28 PM »

Nothing. Go Nikki!
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2020, 06:08:29 PM »

Moving to trends board.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2020, 06:08:46 PM »

GOP primary voters.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2020, 06:09:23 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2020, 06:10:30 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2020, 06:11:41 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2020, 06:18:40 PM »


And there's your answer. The Republican base tends to be more skeptical of this when they haven't managed to keep the White House non-Atlas red.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2020, 07:21:58 PM »


And there's your answer. The Republican base tends to be more skeptical of this when they haven't managed to keep the White House non-Atlas red.
Disagree. Saying she can't win the GOP Nomination because she has the Establishment Support is BOGUS. She isn't that empty suit Rubio was in 2016. She is even campaigning for Trump down the stretch.

She is probably the only one who can pull Populist Trump Supporters and Establishment GOPers together.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2020, 08:04:17 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2020, 08:06:26 PM »

I don't think the GOP is remotely interested in nominating a person of color or a woman, and certainly not someone who is both.
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2020, 09:54:11 PM »

I don't think the GOP is remotely interested in nominating a person of color or a woman, and certainly not someone who is both.

Probably this. But why are they so enamored with Daniel Cameron then?
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2020, 11:21:21 PM »

The fact that the Republican base would rather continue with their failed attempts to 'own the libz' than actually engage in a party-rebuilding effort, such as that touted by the infamous autopsy.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2020, 11:45:17 PM »

She'll still run, but if the republicans are tired of Bush style neocons running the country and they go for someone more populist like Tucker (and I'm one of those), then she may not make it to the finish line.
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2020, 12:14:17 AM »

I feel like Haley is such an ITB pick. So much of her candidacy is based on electability and part tokenism. I feel like GOP's primary electorate has experienced a significant brain drain under Trump and there is a question on how does Haley will win the primary.

Just look at the Biden campaign when he ran on electability and part tokenism (as far as the Democratic primary electorate).  He struggled as was only saved by African American voters and the liberal-moderate elite. Is there any equivalent voting block in the GOP that could lift Haley to atleast Super Tuesday?
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« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2020, 12:14:26 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2020, 08:20:54 AM »


Did you guys forget about her victory with South Carolina Republican voters in 2010 and 2014?
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2020, 08:30:52 AM »

Political bubble pick, won't be able to connect with real primary voters in the way needed to win the nomination 

Look at Trump rallies in 2015/16, you think Haley can come close to that? Absolutely not. And don't tell me it doesn't matter, because it does. You need enthusiasm to win now. No one cares if you're 'next in line' or look great on paper.

Unless she has amazing campaign skills that I'm yet to see, she'll just end up being somewhere between 2016's Jeb and Rubio
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2020, 08:35:22 AM »


No, we just remembered that - since then - those GOP primary voters who were willing to give their presidential nomination to the likes of John McCain & Mitt Romney were further radicalized by a certain somebody into being very particular about who they pick in primaries.
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2020, 08:50:26 AM »


2010 and 2014 are both years before Donald Trump became the face of the GOP.
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« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2020, 09:42:08 AM »

Primary voters. She could probably win a general, but she'll get stuck behind the populists in the primary.
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2020, 11:27:06 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2020, 11:44:51 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2020, 06:13:47 AM »

Serious answer: She has a decent shot at the nomination, and has done a great job of being supportive of the administration while acting independently and avoiding any (serious) charge of being a loyalist or apologist for Trump's worst instincts.

Her problem is in the general election, for a very simple reason.  The ideology and policies of the think-tank/consultant class/movement conservative/Neocon establishment is horrendously unpopular among both moderate swing voters and Trumpist types alike.  Haley embodies that 2010-2016 era of Conservatism that Romney, Ryan and Cruz do.  She probably performs better than Cruz or Pence (both of whom almost certainly run) but not by much.

A year-y.5 ago, I thought she was a strong GE candidate.  But the parties have realigned and the GOP cannot afford to run on Zombie Reaganism, as it's been doing since before I was born.  The GOP MUST evolve on policy.  Rubio, Hawley, Tucker, and Trump (at least in 2015-17) understood this.  Satisfying the National Review's editorial board won't do a lick of good if your Ryanesque platform is off putting to everyone else.
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2020, 06:17:06 AM »

The fact that the Republican base would rather continue with their failed attempts to 'own the libz' than actually engage in a party-rebuilding effort, such as that touted by the infamous autopsy.

And Trump won the election by doing the opposite of what the autopsy (which I'll defer to NCY for greater detail) said, where it's debatable whether Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio would have won in 2016-at least according to Sean Trende

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/10/30/the_future_of_the_gop_is_trumpy_144566.html
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