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« on: October 28, 2020, 02:08:07 PM »
« edited: December 18, 2020, 12:16:37 PM by StateBoiler »

-The first president to be defeated for re-election was John Adams. The second was John Quincy Adams. So for the 12-year period until Martin Van Buren lost re-election, the only 2 people that had won the presidency and then lost it were father and son.
-After Martin Van Buren's defeat, no president that was before the voters for re-election lost until Grover Cleveland.
-No vice president became president from the office's founding in 1789 until 1841. No vice president has become president from Ford assuming office in 1974 until now. That's 52 years and 46 years (and counting) respectively. In the 133-year period in the middle, it happened nine times, or about once every 15 years.
-Seven vice presidents have died in office, and none of them were assassinated.
-Out of the eight presidents that died in office, five of them died less than 200 days into their term, meaning their vice presidents almost had full terms.
-Subsequently, eight vice presidents have held the office for less than 1 year.
-In the first 190 years of the office's history up to 1979, only 3 vice presidents served 2 full terms for 8 years. In the 41 years since 1979, 4 vice presidents have served 8 years.* The only vice president to serve for 8 years in the first 120 years of the office's history was Monroe's Vice President Daniel Tompkins.
-Joe Biden is the first Democrat former Vice President to be elected President in his own right without assuming the office mid-term due to the death of his predecessor since Martin Van Buren in 1836, 184 years ago. In the middle, 5 former Democratic Vice Presidents ran for the office and all lost (Breckinridge, Henry Wallace, Humphrey, Mondale, Gore). The 4 others alongside Van Buren that accomplished the feat are John Adams, Jefferson, Nixon, and George H.W. Bush. Biden joins Nixon being the only former Vice President to be elected in history.

* There's a caveat here of John Adams served 58 days less than 8 years and John Nance Garner served 43 days less than 8 years. Both served 2 terms, but not 8 years.
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2020, 06:12:03 AM »

-The first president to be defeated for re-election was John Adams. The second was John Quincy Adams. So for the 12-year period until Martin Van Buren lost re-election, the only 2 people that had won the presidency and then lost it were father and son.
-After Martin Van Buren's defeat, no president that was before the voters for re-election lost until Benjamin Harrison.
-No vice president became president from the office's founding in 1789 until 1841. No vice president has become president from Ford assuming office in 1974 until now. That's 52 years and 46 years (and counting) respectively. In the 133-year period in the middle, it happened nine times, or about once every 15 years.
-Seven vice presidents have died in office, and none of them were assassinated.
-Out of the eight presidents that died in office, five of them died less than 200 days into their term, meaning their vice presidents almost had full terms.
-Subsequently, eight vice presidents have held the office for less than 1 year.
-In the first 190 years of the office's history up to 1979, only 3 vice presidents served 2 full terms for 8 years. In the 41 years since 1979, 4 vice presidents have served 8 years.* The only vice president to serve for 8 years in the first 130 years of the country's history was Monroe's Vice President Daniel Tompkins.
-Joe Biden if elected next week will be the first Democrat former Vice President to be elected President in his own right without assuming the office due to the death of his predecessor since Martin Van Buren in 1836, 184 years ago. In the middle, 5 former Democratic Vice Presidents ran for the office and all lost (Breckinridge, Henry Wallace, Humphrey, Mondale, Gore). The 4 others alongside Van Buren that accomplished the feat are John Adams, Jefferson, Nixon, and George H.W. Bush. Biden will join Nixon being the only former Vice President to be elected.

* There's a caveat here of John Adams served 58 days less than 8 years and John Nance Garner served 43 days less than 8 years. Both served 2 terms, but not 8 years.
-Harris is the only person who could be considered Generation X to have been on a winning ticket.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2020, 09:52:55 AM »

-No vice president became president from the office's founding in 1789 until 1841. No vice president has become president from Ford assuming office in 1974 until now. That's 52 years and 46 years (and counting) respectively. In the 133-year period in the middle, it happened nine times, or about once every 15 years.

Bush Sr?
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2020, 10:45:15 AM »

Until 1864, every elected Northern president either died in office during their first term (Harrison), lost re-election in the general election (Adams, Adams, Van Buren), lost re-nomination (Pierce), or retired in disgrace (Buchanan). Every elected Southern president either won re-election (Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson), died in office during their first term (Taylor), or died right after leaving office (Polk).

A Northerner didn't serve two full terms until Grant left office in 1877, and a Southerner didn't lose re-election until 1980.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2020, 01:11:25 PM »

-No vice president became president from the office's founding in 1789 until 1841. No vice president has become president from Ford assuming office in 1974 until now. That's 52 years and 46 years (and counting) respectively. In the 133-year period in the middle, it happened nine times, or about once every 15 years.

Bush Sr?
He was elected afterwards, not “Truman style” replacement.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2020, 02:38:55 PM »

-No vice president became president from the office's founding in 1789 until 1841. No vice president has become president from Ford assuming office in 1974 until now. That's 52 years and 46 years (and counting) respectively. In the 133-year period in the middle, it happened nine times, or about once every 15 years.

Bush Sr?

To clarify: "No vice president became president mid-term from the office's founding in 1789 until 1841..."
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2020, 06:28:40 PM »

Until 1864, every elected Northern president either died in office during their first term (Harrison), lost re-election in the general election (Adams, Adams, Van Buren), lost re-nomination (Pierce), or retired in disgrace (Buchanan). Every elected Southern president either won re-election (Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson), died in office during their first term (Taylor), or died right after leaving office (Polk).

A Northerner didn't serve two full terms until Grant left office in 1877, and a Southerner didn't lose re-election until 1980.
I'm pretty sure Jimmy Carter was the only Democratic President in history to lose both the PV and the EV in his re-election bid-- at least going back to the 1880s. He was certainly the only Democrat defeated for re-election since 1888.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2020, 12:14:25 PM »
« Edited: December 18, 2020, 12:25:49 PM by StateBoiler »

Until 1864, every elected Northern president either died in office during their first term (Harrison), lost re-election in the general election (Adams, Adams, Van Buren), lost re-nomination (Pierce), or retired in disgrace (Buchanan). Every elected Southern president either won re-election (Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson), died in office during their first term (Taylor), or died right after leaving office (Polk).

A Northerner didn't serve two full terms until Grant left office in 1877, and a Southerner didn't lose re-election until 1980.
I'm pretty sure Jimmy Carter was the only Democratic President in history to lose both the PV and the EV in his re-election bid-- at least going back to the 1880s. He was certainly the only Democrat defeated for re-election since 1888.

Van Buren 1840 is one. There were only 6 Democratic presidents from post-1868 up to Carter's victory in 1976. (Cleveland, Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson). Those 6 guys are 44 years while in the other 64 years Republicans held the office they had 14 presidents.

The number of presidents that have lost trying to stay in office is not that large a club, with the asterisk of you can remove Ford from this list if you want.

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J. Adams-F 1800
J.Q. Adams-Whig precursor 1828
Van Buren-D 1840
Cleveland-D 1888
B. Harrison-R 1892
Taft-R 1912
Hoover-R 1932
Ford-R 1976
Carter-D 1980
G.H.W. Bush-R 1992
Trump-R 2020
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