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« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2020, 06:15:48 PM »

A Republican as dependent on working class voters as Trump is not winning reelection, if he is only winning Indiana by 6% to 8%. That is worse than Romney's performance and he did much better with college educated whites at that.

What is happening then? Is he just collapsing completely in white educated suburbia? That's the only explanation if this is real.

I can tell you that Republicans are collapsing in white, educated greater Indy. At every level of government. The only thing that keeps Indiana safely red is all the WWC voters the GOP picked up over the last ten years. If educated while voters voted like they do now back in 2008, Obama would have won Indiana by 5 to 10 points.

Makes sense.
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« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2020, 08:23:05 PM »

Biden is not winning Hamilton County.

Trump probably wins Hamilton County 50-45 or 50-42
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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2020, 11:49:50 PM »

Guys aside from the south, non-college educated whites swung more to the democrats from the 2016 presidential election than college educated whites- WWC voters swinging against Trump is not a surprise based on that.
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2020, 11:51:24 PM »

Guys aside from the south, non-college educated whites swung more to the democrats from the 2016 presidential election than college educated whites- WWC voters swinging against Trump is not a surprise based on that.

Not really.

Look at Iowa and Ohio in 2018. Brown's win was mostly due to educated whites (he polled horrible in the Mahoning valley).

Democrats gains were entirely there base turning out and large educated white swings. they did WORSE with non college whites in 2018 then 2010 and even 2014.
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2020, 11:52:41 PM »

If Democrats were getting Obama 2012 numbers with no-degree whites its a bare minimum +12 Biden win (there not though).
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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2020, 12:17:27 AM »
« Edited: October 12, 2020, 12:26:18 AM by Intell »

Guys aside from the south, non-college educated whites swung more to the democrats from the 2016 presidential election than college educated whites- WWC voters swinging against Trump is not a surprise based on that.

Not really.

Look at Iowa and Ohio in 2018. Brown's win was mostly due to educated whites (he polled horrible in the Mahoning valley).

Democrats gains were entirely there base turning out and large educated white swings. they did WORSE with non college whites in 2018 then 2010 and even 2014.


Democrats did much better in 2018 in rurals and non-college educated whites than in 2016 so there was a reversion to the mean.


Why are you comparing 2014 and 2018 and not 2016 and 2018 which is much more relevant.

College Educated Whites

2016: 45D-48R (R+3)
2018: 53D-45R (D+8)

D+10 Swing

Non-College Educated Whites

2016: 29D-66R (R+37)
2018: 37D-61R (R+24)

D+13 Swing

https://www.brookings.edu/research/a-vast-majority-of-counties-showed-increased-democratic-support-in-2018-house-election/
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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2020, 01:55:50 AM »
« Edited: October 12, 2020, 03:39:56 AM by pbrower2a »

A Republican as dependent on working class voters as Trump is not winning reelection, if he is only winning Indiana by 6% to 8%. That is worse than Romney's performance and he did much better with college educated whites at that.

What is happening then? Is he just collapsing completely in white educated suburbia? That's the only explanation if this is real.

I can tell you that Republicans are collapsing in white, educated greater Indy. At every level of government. The only thing that keeps Indiana safely red is all the WWC voters the GOP picked up over the last ten years. If educated while voters voted like they do now back in 2008, Obama would have won Indiana by 5 to 10 points.

Basically, Indiana (see also Texas) is becoming more of a microcosm of America. Note well that Donald Trump offends well-educated people who despise an anti-intellectualism that rips at something that makes many people what they are. Trump's anti-intellectualism goes far beyond poking wayward college professors to insulting such people as schoolteachers, research scientists, accountants, engineers, and medical professionals who aren't in their positions for supplying original and daring thought. Well-educated white people see themselves having more in common with the black bourgeoisie (the "Talented Tenth" of the time of Booker T. Washington's day has since become at the least the "Talented Third"), Asian-Americans, and middle-class Hispanics than with semi-literate white people.

Mitt Romney appealed more to conservative, pro-business economics (taxes, spending, regulation); Trump appeals more to a low-brow culture for its resentments of such people as the schoolteacher who disparaged someone's bad grammar in school.  

Note also that early voting makes voting far easier than in usual years. Election-day voting ends at 6PM local time, which explains why Indiana is usually an early call.  
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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2020, 01:57:57 AM »

Not to be a pedant, actually yes to be a pedant, if Trump wins by 6-8, he's going to win with a majority, not a plurality.
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