amnesty bill provisions

[CARLHAYDEN]

The amnesty bill for illegal aliens currently being pushed in the Senate by George (liar) Bush and the Aztlan groups contains a couple of interesting provisions:

The bill extends the Davis-Bacon Act's requirements for the payment of "prevailing wage" levels to all temporary guest workers.  This puts them ahead of American workers, who have this protection only on federal job sites.

Foreign guest farm workers, admitted under the bill, cannot be "terminated from employment by an employer...exceot for just cause."  In contrast, American ag workers can be fored for any reason.

[Nym90]

It's pretty ridiculous when illegal immigrant workers have more protection in their jobs than legal citizens.

[True Democrat]

Foreign guest farm workers, admitted under the bill, cannot be "terminated from employment by an employer...exceot fir hyst cayse."  In contrast, American ag workers can be fored for any reason.

What does that even mean?

[CARLHAYDEN]

Foreign guest farm workers, admitted under the bill, cannot be "terminated from employment by an employer...exceot fir hyst cayse."  In contrast, American ag workers can be fored for any reason.

What does that even mean?

I have corrected the typos.

[ag]

It's done precisely, so that nobody hires them - the idea is, it shouldn't be cheaper to hire foreigners than Americans.  Believe it or not, it is actually an anti-immigrant provision, that's how it is thought of both by its authors and its "beneficiaries" (ie, migrants).  If you were a good conservative, you wouldn't ever think otherwise, but a radical sociallist you actually are, you don't get it (and I am deadly serious here: unlike most provisions of the current US immigration law, it does have exactly the intended effect).

[CARLHAYDEN]

Ag,

When I first read the provisions, I was of the opinion that any employer familiar with them would prefer to hire Americans.

But then, these provisions have NOT received any signficant attention perviously.

I wonder how many prospective employers will be familiar with them.

If well know, they will be poison pills.

BTW, what's with the name calling?

[ag]

Ag,

When I first read the provisions, I was of the opinion that any employer familiar with them would prefer to hire Americans.

But then, these provisions have NOT received any signficant attention perviously.

I wonder how many prospective employers will be familiar with them.

If well know, they will be poison pills.

BTW, what's with the name calling?

These provisions have always been known by any employer hiring foreigners on any sort of visa (or, at least, by his/her lawyer) for ages. Knowing the way these things work, it will be inscribed in boldface on the front of any form s/he has to fill out (and s/he will have to fill it out all right, don't worry).

What name calling? Having observed you for a while here, I do believe you are run-off-the-mill small "s" sociallist (well, if you wish, national-sociallist, Mussolini-style) sort of a guy. It's not name-calling, it's a characterization of your well-expressed views.

[??????????]

What name calling? Having observed you for a while here, I do believe you are run-off-the-mill small "s" sociallist (well, if you wish, national-sociallist, Mussolini-style) sort of a guy. It's not name-calling, it's a characterization of your well-expressed views.

Carl a socialist? Interesting.

[ag]

What name calling? Having observed you for a while here, I do believe you are run-off-the-mill small "s" sociallist (well, if you wish, national-sociallist, Mussolini-style) sort of a guy. It's not name-calling, it's a characterization of your well-expressed views.

Carl a socialist? Interesting.

The far right and far left are really hard to distinguish ideologically.  I've never really been able to understand, why they hate each other so much - they really believe in the same things.  You know, when a Russian Orthodox Bishop was told, that, actually, among the rulling Communists there were different currents, and some of them are really not that bad, he responded: "I am not an expert on different grades of fecal matter".  I guess, I also lack certain expertise. To me he looks quite sociallist.

[agcatter]

far right - protect borders

far left - open borders to anyone who wants in

[CARLHAYDEN]

Ag,

When I first read the provisions, I was of the opinion that any employer familiar with them would prefer to hire Americans.

But then, these provisions have NOT received any signficant attention perviously.

I wonder how many prospective employers will be familiar with them.

If well know, they will be poison pills.

BTW, what's with the name calling?

These provisions have always been known by any employer hiring foreigners on any sort of visa (or, at least, by his/her lawyer) for ages. Knowing the way these things work, it will be inscribed in boldface on the front of any form s/he has to fill out (and s/he will have to fill it out all right, don't worry).

What name calling? Having observed you for a while here, I do believe you are run-off-the-mill small "s" sociallist (well, if you wish, national-sociallist, Mussolini-style) sort of a guy. It's not name-calling, it's a characterization of your well-expressed views.

Perhaps you have some unusual definition of 'socialist.'

According to Merriam-Webster, a socialist is one who advocates and/or practices socialism.

The same source defines socialism as:

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done   

So, just where have I advocated collective or goernment ownership/ administration of the means of production much less abolition of private property?

Or are you just using it as a perjorative, as in 'anyone who disagrees with me is a socialist'?

[phk]

far right - protect borders

far left - open borders to anyone who wants in

Not true, the strongest advocates of 'open borders' are some of the most economically conservative people around.

[MODU]

far right - protect borders

far left - open borders to anyone who wants in

Not true, the strongest advocates of 'open borders' are some of the most economically conservative people around.

Yup.  It can't be boiled down to extremes like that. 

[WalterMitty]

far right - protect borders

far left - open borders to anyone who wants in

Not true, the strongest advocates of 'open borders' are some of the most economically conservative people around.

like myself.