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Sir Mohamed
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« on: September 28, 2020, 09:19:41 AM »

How do you see this year turning out if Biden and HRC switch? Say she didn't run in 2016 for some reason, Biden is the nominee and loses the EC to Trump. HRC gets the nomination this year and faces Trump. All events since 2017 going exactly as they were IRL. Is the current environment enough for her with not having lost in '16?
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 09:47:59 AM »

In such an extreme environment, negative partisanship is enough to lift virtually any Democrat to the presidency.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2020, 02:10:32 AM »

Hillary wins with 300+ electoral votes.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2020, 12:35:44 AM »
« Edited: November 28, 2020, 12:34:21 AM by bagelman »

The hard part is making Biden lose in 2016. It's honestly unessasary, just say that for some reason HRC runs in 2020, maybe after Sanders loses for being portrayed as extremest or the establishment pushes someone younger and less experienced or something.

Whatever. Regardless of how Trump wins in 2016, if things go the way that did OTL along with COVID-19 then negative partisanship will even be enough for Her. However, you can kiss regaining OH and IA goodbye, and Trump holding WI or even PA isn't entirely out of the question. ME-2 will also be harder to regain, if far less important.

However, one state Clinton '20 has an advantage in compared to Biden '20 is Florida. We've seen that Clinton's huge win in Miami-Dade has not been repeated by other Democratic candidates and Trump has even managed to hold Biden below her numbers according to a couple of polls. If you combine Miami-Dade's Clinton nostalgia with elderly voters going towards Democrats in the wake of being the most vulnerable victims of COVID, Florida is Lean D.

Clinton's path to victory runs through FL. If she can regain MI and hold MN while winning FL, she could lose all of PA/WI/AZ/NC/NH (for a laugh) and still win the election.

Of course, she's likely to win all of those states anyway.

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2020, 06:51:55 PM »

The hard part is making Biden lose in 2016. It's honestly unessasary, just say that for some reason HRC runs in 2020, maybe after Sanders loses for being portrayed as extremest or the establishment pushes someone younger and less experienced or something.

Whatever. Regardless of how Trump wins in 2016, if things go the way that did OTL along with COVID-19 then negative partisanship will even be enough for Her. However, you can kiss regaining OH and IA goodbye, and Trump holding WI or even PA isn't entirely out of the question. ME-2 will also be harder to regain, if far less important.

However, one state Clinton '20 has an advantage in compared to Biden '20 is Florida. We've seen that Clinton's huge win in Miami-Dade has not been repeated by other Democratic candidates and Trump has even managed to hold Biden below her numbers according to a couple of polls. If you combine Miami-Dade's Clinton nostalgia with elderly voters going towards Democrats in the wake of being the most vulnerable victims of COVID, Florida is Lean D.

Clinton's path to victory runs through FL. If she can regain MI and hold MN while winning FL, she could lose all of PA/WI/AZ/NC/NH (for a laugh) and still win the election.

Of course, she's likely to win all of those states anyway.

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I agree. I really do not see Biden losing in 2016.

Not sure if Hillary would still have an advantage in Miami-Dade in 2020, however. I think her strength there in 2016 was the result of a negative reaction to Trump that has now faded somewhat among Cubans who no longer are as antagonistic to him as they were then, rather than any particular love for HRC.
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