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Question: Do you support Armenia or Azerbaijan in the current conflict?
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« on: September 28, 2020, 10:19:22 AM »

Whichever one you choose, please don't make that choice on the basis of religious affiliation.
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 10:21:22 AM »

Due to the close proximity and political capital being invested in regard to Turkey, I’m backing Armenia

Which is backed by Russia
Yes, Armenia is a Russian client state in fact.

You say this like it's somehow an indictment of Armenia's own interests and actions rather than a pragmatic response by both involved.
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2020, 06:48:19 AM »
« Edited: September 30, 2020, 12:54:39 PM by Cath »

Due to the close proximity and political capital being invested in regard to Turkey, I’m backing Armenia

Which is backed by Russia
Yes, Armenia is a Russian client state in fact.

You say this like it's somehow an indictment of Armenia's own interests and actions rather than a pragmatic response by both involved.
I'm not criticizing Armenia for making itself a Russian client state - but I am pointing out that that fact has to be considered in the equation insofar as one's views on the topic are concerned. I'm not going to fault Armenia for making decisions it has to make - that much is clear.

I still think "client state" is a very strong term that ignores Armenia's autonomy--and its perennial quest to escape Russian hegemony. That it sends a few de-miners to Syria every few years doesn't make it little more than a tool of Russian foreign policy, and that can be seen in recent overtures to Israel and the EU. Sadly, its present state will likely persist sans a dramatic intervention by an as-of-yet uncommitted outside player.
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2020, 09:44:42 AM »

Azerbaijan.
Even if I’m a Christian, this conflict really isn’t about religion, it’s geopolitical. Emboldening Armenia is just emboldening a Putin-bootlicking State and we can’t have that.

The repeated misfortunes of the Armenian nation are not reason enough to condemn them to further devastation.

I still think "client state" is a very strong term that ignores Armenia's autonomy--and its perennial quest to escape Russian hegemony. That it sends a few de-miners to Syria every few years doesn't make it little more than a tool of Russian foreign policy, and that can be seen in recent overtures to Israel and the EU. Sadly, its present state will likely persist sans a dramatic intervention by an as-of-yet uncommitted outside player.

Combine this with the fact that the 2018 revolution can in part be attributed to Russia fatigue, Russia's willingness to cut off their fuel supply in the middle of winter just to tank the EU Association Agreement, and the fact that Russia still plays Azerbaijan and Armenia against each other.

Hopefully you can see past your hatred of Putin to feel some shred of sympathy for a nation that deserves a better label than "bootlicking".
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