Armenia—Azerbaijan Conflict Aftermath: Discord in Armenia

[CumbrianLefty]

People trying to make this into a religious war are the absolute worst. From whichever side.

[CumbrianLefty]

Is there any concern that Armenia might ethnically cleanse Azeris if it gains the upper hand or is Azerbaijan the only combatant with genocidal intent?

There aren't really any Azeris left in areas the Armenians claim (that genocide happened in the 90s). I don't think Armenia is interested in pushing further into Azerbaijan than they already controlled pre-conflict, except possibly Nakhchivan.

The fact it has a border (even if only a very small one) with Turkey may prove a deterrent there.

[CumbrianLefty]

You ‘Stand With Armenia’ guys do know that Artsakh is Azerbaijani according to International Law, right? None of you would ever have the same attitude towards Northern Cyprus.

Ah yes, because all attempted breakaway states should be viewed the same and definitely don't have differing levels of legitimacy depending on the circumstances of their independence movements.

They tick the same boxes, boo radley.

Cyprus had 80% Greeks and 18% Turks before the invasion (and 2% Armenians), Nagorno-Karabakh had a 75% Armenian majority when the Soviet Union was dissolved. If the principle of national self-determination had been followed Nagorno-Karabakh would have merged with Armenia and Cyprus with Greece.

Did all Greek Cypriots want that?

[CumbrianLefty]

It's a little worrying that most Americans don't even know a WWIII flashpoint is happening.

I think this is maybe a tad alarmist, no?

[CumbrianLefty]

The amount of hatred between these two countries is incredibly sad.

It is, but it is also long standing.

[CumbrianLefty]

Geographically, it is best described as Asia. Politically and culturally, its a bit murkier.

[CumbrianLefty]

I mean, was anyone actually expecting Armenia to be routed so completely?

[CumbrianLefty]

A lot of Armenians not taking the news too well it would seem.

[CumbrianLefty]

Do the Armenian nationalists actually think they can defeat Azerbaijan and Turkey without Russian support?

We have seen enough times that nationalism is one helluva drug.

[CumbrianLefty]

Who could ever have foreseen, etc etc.

[CumbrianLefty]

Some loudmouth Russian MP has been ranting about nuking Azerbaijan, apparently.

[CumbrianLefty]

Azerbaijan did (technically) have international law on their side when they attacked Nagorno-Karabakh, which is de jure Azeri territory.

Shelling Armenia? That's unambiguously an act of war, and totally unjustifiable. It's also the sort of thing that could trigger Armenian alliances with Iran and Russia.

Spoiler alert: Russia isn't going to do sh!t.

Well personally I would approve of them sending lots of their troops currently in Ukraine to here.

[CumbrianLefty]

I don't think the precedent points to any genocide or mass killings, rather to forced displacements, like in the early 90's when armenian forces took over the region and tens of thousands of azeris where forced to flee, or two years ago when armenian inhabitants evacuated the territories devolved to Azerbaijan after the ceasefire.

Ethnically Armenian inhabitants did not all choose to evacuate two years ago. They suffered multiple beheadings (all the ones that ended up on video were committed by Azerbaijani soldiers, none of whom were punished) before the last of them fled. There were also mass killings back in 1991 - the Azeris "forced to flee" weren't running from nothing.

And there were mass pogroms of Arnenians in the early 1990 Azerbaijan "events".

[CumbrianLefty]

People with a principled view of foreign policy (admittedly not many of these people around)

ok BOURGEOIS GLOBAL NORTH NEOCON LEFTIST

Pretty small subset there methinks.

[CumbrianLefty]

Armenia’s fight for its survival against genocide should be supported wholeheartedly, including with weapons.

Azerbaijan and Turkey should be severely sanctioned even if only for their domestic policies, let alone their foreign policies. “One people, two states”—and elimination of any minorities. These are foundational to Turkey and Azerbaijan as nations.

"There was no genocide", then in the next breath "but they should have finished the job". Just as with many Islamists and the Holocaust, so it often is with Turkic people and the Armenians.

[CumbrianLefty]

If you were a participant in Eurovision you should be eligible EU membership (yes, even Australia).

Not sure if this actually needs stating, but Eurovision really isn't the same thing at all.

[CumbrianLefty]

Rumor is circulating about Azerbaijani jets awaiting Pelosi's departure, and of Israeli military aid shipments en route to Azerbaijan. I can validate none of this, of course.

Now, why does this not surprise especially?

[CumbrianLefty]

Another foreign policy triumph for Putin.

So much win!

[CumbrianLefty]

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