College Recruitment for the Military Protection Bill

[MasterJedi]

Public institutions can all the time refuse to let in other insitutions.  I don't see public universities being allowed throughout military bases!  This bill holds the military in higher regard than the university!  The larger the military you have, the more expensive to the taxpayer.  Assuming I didn't miss some change between the U.S. and Atlasia, Atlasia has nukes, cruise missiles, and tanks.  You don't need many people to operate those and we shouldn't be needing to use those much either.

You don't know much about the military. This is necessary.

[Democratic Hawk]

I've said it once so I'll say it again for a public university to refuse to allow the military to recruit on its campuses smacks of political activism, which I strongly disapprove of, on the part of such universities who do refuse to allow the military on their campuses

It's our military who will be allowed to recruit, should this Bill pass and be signed into Law, after all. There'll be no badgering. Those who want to approach the military for more information about joining are free to do so, those who don't are free to walk pass. Given some objections, any one would think this was going to force students to sign up

'Hawk'

[Akno21]

The larger the military you have, the more expensive to the taxpayer.  Assuming I didn't miss some change between the U.S. and Atlasia, Atlasia has nukes, cruise missiles, and tanks.  You don't need many people to operate those and we shouldn't be needing to use those much either.

That's a strongly inaccurate view of the military. Sure, we have advanced technology, but we still need strong manpower if we are going to be an active presence around the world. People can do things powerful weapons never will be able to.

[Jake]

Public institutions can all the time refuse to let in other insitutions.  I don't see public universities being allowed throughout military bases!  This bill holds the military in higher regard than the university!  The larger the military you have, the more expensive to the taxpayer.  Assuming I didn't miss some change between the U.S. and Atlasia, Atlasia has nukes, cruise missiles, and tanks.  You don't need many people to operate those and we shouldn't be needing to use those much either.

That may be one of, if not the most, uninformed post ever posted on this forum.

Your proposition is useless unless you propose that our only possible response to any military incident is to A. lob cruise missiles or B. fire nuclear missiles at the enemy.

[jerusalemcar5]

Public institutions can all the time refuse to let in other insitutions.  I don't see public universities being allowed throughout military bases!  This bill holds the military in higher regard than the university!  The larger the military you have, the more expensive to the taxpayer.  Assuming I didn't miss some change between the U.S. and Atlasia, Atlasia has nukes, cruise missiles, and tanks.  You don't need many people to operate those and we shouldn't be needing to use those much either.

That may be one of, if not the most, uninformed post ever posted on this forum.

Your proposition is useless unless you propose that our only possible response to any military incident is to A. lob cruise missiles or B. fire nuclear missiles at the enemy.

No, I'm just saying a smaller military would make more sense.  We don't need it to be so large.

[TomC]

Public institutions can all the time refuse to let in other insitutions.  I don't see public universities being allowed throughout military bases!  This bill holds the military in higher regard than the university!  The larger the military you have, the more expensive to the taxpayer.  Assuming I didn't miss some change between the U.S. and Atlasia, Atlasia has nukes, cruise missiles, and tanks.  You don't need many people to operate those and we shouldn't be needing to use those much either.

That may be one of, if not the most, uninformed post ever posted on this forum.

Your proposition is useless unless you propose that our only possible response to any military incident is to A. lob cruise missiles or B. fire nuclear missiles at the enemy.

No, I'm just saying a smaller military would make more sense.  We don't need it to be so large.

This should not be about the military. It should be about the sovereignty of the regions.

[Ebowed]

This should not be about the military. It should be about the sovereignty of the regions.

An interesting point, backed up by this Southeast initiative (which ultimately failed, but that's besides the point):
http://geocities.com/southeastgov/init0100.html

[MasterJedi]

I hereby open up the vote on this amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

1. No public college or university shall be permitted to prohibit recruiters from the Atlasian Military to recruit on campus.

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[WMS]

Aye to both the previous amendment FTR and to the amendment currently under consideration.

[Gabu]

Aye to the amendment.

[Hatman 🍁]

yea

[Democratic Hawk]

Aye

'Hawk'

[Bacon King]

aye.

[MasterJedi]

This amendment has passed.

[MasterJedi]

I hereby open up the final vote on this bill. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

1. No public college or university shall be permitted to prohibit recruiters from the Atlasian Military to recruit on campus.

[MasterJedi]

Aye

[Gabu]

Nay.

[ilikeverin]

Nope

[WMS]

Aye.

[Hatman 🍁]

Aye

[jerusalemcar5]

Aye

*boos*

I can see crazy conservative nuts like good ol' Master jedi voting aye, but you Earl?  What a violation of principles!  I urge you to change your vote because forcing the military upon our nation is not a good thing.  If you're looking for more volunteers, don't stalk them!  Just set up shop in town and real volunteers will come and you can recruit at places that allow you.  But the Atlasian military has no mandated place in our regional universities.

Therefore, I strongly urge you to change your vote.

[Bacon King]

After much consideration, I vote aye. Our military is in need of soldiers, and as long as recruiters do not get agressive, no one's rights are violated.

[Gabu]

Aye

*boos*

I can see crazy conservative nuts like good ol' Master jedi voting aye, but you Earl?  What a violation of principles!  I urge you to change your vote because forcing the military upon our nation is not a good thing.  If you're looking for more volunteers, don't stalk them!  Just set up shop in town and real volunteers will come and you can recruit at places that allow you.  But the Atlasian military has no mandated place in our regional universities.

Therefore, I strongly urge you to change your vote.

My nay vote was also based on the fact that universities are funded by the regions; I don't see the necessary justification here for the federal government to force this on the regional governments.  I also have doubts about how useful this use of force will be; if the recruiters honestly are just sitting there and letting people come and volunteer, I fail to see how that's any different than the military recruiters being in some office in a city where people can drop by and sign up - unless, of course, they instead are planning to actively begin interactions with students, which is another thing I'm worried about.

[jerusalemcar5]

I think this definitely steps up to the line, if not quite over (and it may very well be over), of Article 1 Section 6 Clause 7 of the Second Constitution.

"No Law requiring any action to be taken or to be not taken by a Region shall be passed"

It is a regional matter (these are regional universities), the Senate has no place, unless you possibly argue that federal funds justify it, but this bill goes beyond federally funded universities.  I would consdier bringing this to the Supreme Court if it passes.