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Nightcore Nationalist
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« on: October 07, 2020, 02:00:46 PM »

I'm not going to waste my or anyone else's time convincing someone to vote for Trump, mostly because many other right of centre posters are far more articulate and intelligent than me, and I'm lazy.
 
But I have a pile of reasons to vote against the Democratic party, the institutional Left, and Biden, who's the face of the neo-liberal, corporatist, cosmopolitan opposition.
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Nightcore Nationalist
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2020, 08:40:07 AM »

From a cost benefit analysis in terms of the impact on the deficit, the minimal economic benefits of the 2017 tax cut were most certainly not worth it. And for the third time in row we have seen that supply side tax cuts do not pay for themselves because the growth never gets high enough or lasts long enough to pay for themselves before another recession comes along and balloons the deficit even more. Furthermore, the presumption that spending cuts will happen to ensure that it balances out is foolish because the politics will never be their to make that an easy sell. The right wants defense spending and the left wants domestic spending and neither side will every cut their base's gravy train off.

The end result of divorcing spending from the revenues is that you end up with massive deficits because people love tax cuts and they also love not losing their gravy train. Its the free money trap. The problem is the money is not free, it is coming from China, from Opec and other places we really should not be beholden to, or it is coming right out of the Federal Reserve.

Either way, this model is not sustainable to the long term success of the nation and we are only going to ping pong ourselves to bankruptcy and ruin if we keep playing these games based on pie in the sky modeling, wishful delusions about spending cuts and failure to consider the long term consequences of one's actions.

Republicans need to bury deficit funded tax cuts and find a new catchall economic policy, that works congruent with, not in conflict with the geopolitical struggle with China that OSR often talks about.


This is the best argument against the tax cuts that I've read.  My economic/tax/welfare policies have veered well Left since 2018 (I was a (l)ibertarian well into 2017) and there are still aspects of the tax bill that I support, but from a purely political perspective, it was a big waste of time and political capital, as Trump would lose the House his limited time was much better spent on something else, and not to mention the defecits.  I mostly blame the Ryan Congress and Trump delegating policy to them, due to laziness or lack of interest.
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Nightcore Nationalist
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2020, 09:12:18 AM »

Trump has:
- Disrupted (sort of) the House Freedom Caucus!!!!!
- Appointed a great Justice in Gorsuch; plus two iffy ones
- Been much friendlier to Taiwan
- Been much stronger against China
- Passed a decent NA trade deal

So if your biggest issues are objective SC Justices or blatantly partisan ones; anti-China; better free trade, except the TPP for some reason; and destroying the Freedom Caucus by any means necessary, there’s a decent case for voting for him. The Supreme Court becomes a null reason, unless Barrett does not have the votes before the election.

This is a quality post. I'll also add that in the event of Trump losing, the GOP in all likelihood regresses to it's pre-Trump position of being exceedingly Capitalistic and deferential to corporate interests, neoconservative in it's foreign policy, and loses any semblance of supporting the working class.  That Trump is too pro-corporate and ignores his base's interests is a function of his own laziness/judgement, and the GOPe's subversion of Trump's electoral win.

Considering that suburban whites with a 4 year degree have zoomed left by a double digit margin (most of whom permanently), this would put the GOP in the permanent minority, for 8-12 years. Obviously if you are fiercely anti-GOP you support that, I don't blame you whatsoever.  I have no faith in the GOP establishment to learn the right lessons from Trump losing, and will rather devolve into the party of Mitt Romney and David French-who would rather the Left win every single battle rather than compromise MUH REE MARKET principles (see-monopolies and big tech).

If the GOPe was competent and understood why Trump won the nomination and the election in the first place, I wouldn't be that concerned about Trump losing this election.  I'd gladly support a traditional republican who has learned the correct lessons from the outgoing political era-think Ron DeSantis or Marco Rubio, and moderates on things like College Tuition, but there is no guarantee the party will go on that trajectory.  If the GOP ignores the working class, it's toast.




Huh 

In all seriousness, if you are seriously pro-life (I'm pretty ambivalent on the issue) then this administration has been excellent on the issue of abortion.

Only 10 years ago, most Democrats like Schumer/Hillary/Obama sounded as tough on Immigration as Republicans did.  Bernie called open borders a "Koch brothers ploy" in 2015.  One of the biggest reasons for the recent Democratic weakness among the WWC is immigration policy, to the benefit of big business/the financial class.
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