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« on: September 27, 2020, 04:04:04 AM »
« edited: September 27, 2020, 04:07:05 AM by Old School Republican »

I dont think you should vote for Trump, but here are two major reasons to vote for a Republican senate:


1. To Stop the Democrats from packing the court and destroying a core part of our republic forever

2. So we can keep the 2017 Tax Reform which really did help the economy(there is a reason the economy is an issue Trump still gets high marks on and that is thanks to the 2017 tax reform Bill).




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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2020, 12:05:20 PM »

I dont think you should vote for Trump, but here are two major reasons to vote for a Republican senate:


1. To Stop the Democrats from packing the court and destroying a core part of our republic forever

2. So we can keep the 2017 Tax Reform which really did help the economy(there is a reason the economy is an issue Trump still gets high marks on and that is thanks to the 2017 tax reform Bill).


Well, I don't think the Democrats will pack the Supreme Court, although it would be justified after Mitch stole Scalia's seat and is now the a complete hypocrite. Court packing wouldn't even be an attack on institutions since congress has the power to decide the size of the court. Even if Democrats packed the court, it would be nothing compared to Trump's attacks on institutions.

It's beyond questionable the 2017 tax cuts actually did help the economy. Sure, if you look at the stock market, it's probably true. But other than Wall Street and Trump's Mar-A-Lago buddies, not a lot of folks benefited from it. Certainly not Main Street. Under Joe Biden's tax plan, the corporate tax will be increased to 28% (was 35% before 2017), while the wealthy will pay more in taxes. That's hardly a socialist policy. Should also be noted that job growth in Obama's second term was higher than under Trump (pre-Covid crash). The deficit also got smaller throughout Obama's presidency, while it went up under Trump even before the pandemic came. And farmers under Trump got a punch in the gut with his clueless trade wars that lack any strategy. Trump's economic policies are vastly overrated, just has he is overrated as a businessman.

A Republican senate will stand in the way of actual progress on several issues. If you're concerned about the Sanders agenda, it's unlikely it will happen in a 50 or 51 seat senate. It wouldn't even pass as proposed if Sanders was president with a trifecta. Last but not least, Senate Republicans should not be rewarded for their cowardly attitude towards Trump. Aside from Mitt Romney, almost none had the backbone to stand up to Trump's ongoing assault on institutions, his corruption and abuse of power, his lies, the ignorance towards facts, the coddling up to dictators and autocrats as well as the disgusting personal behavior. The Republican Party as of today with Trumpism, Qanon, religious bigots and science deniers needs to be crushed and burned to the ground. And then pick up the pieces and built a sane center-right party that is more similar to Canadian Tories rather than a personality cult. It may be wishful thinking this ever happens in the near future, but I think I'm not alone with this opinion.


1. Schumer left it open to that though

2. While I don’t think Biden’s plan is the worst plan a democrat could implement, I still like the status quo over his plan . Also that’s not true the 2017 tax reform doubled the standard deduction which is very beneficial to most families , doubled the child tax credit , did decrease rates for middle class families , created a credit for other dependents too .

For rich individuals they take a hit as they can’t deduct as much as they used to on State and Local Taxes and reduced the amount they could deduct in mortgage deductions too
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2020, 05:49:19 PM »

Donald Trump is an abject outsider.  He has challenged more than the agendas and assumptions of the political establishment; his very manner in appearance, speech and governing is an affront to the Washington political class and media, their norms and euphemisms (which is why they despise rather than simply oppose him.)    

Trump has the instincts to see the wisdom of not writing off the interior of the country as an aging and irredeemable "basket of deplorables."  Despair in America's Heartland has proven the need to question the previously unquestionable tenets of a global, liberal order that only serves to enrich cities and the elites who live there.  Trump is the only candidate campaigning to break American out of the globalist doldrums and transform our national spirit; his opponents only offer misplaced nostalgia for the very past that precipitated the necessity of Trump's politics - there is no transformation, no message, no relief in what they offer to America.

Who do you think the 2017 tax cuts mostly benefited?

Donald Trump can say he hates "the elites" but he keeps rewarding them with massive tax cuts.

Trump's tax changes really benefited pass-through entities and small businesses.

He severely limited the SALT and other deductions aimed at high income earners in in high-tax states.


I dont think you should vote for Trump, but here are two major reasons to vote for a Republican senate:


1. To Stop the Democrats from packing the court and destroying a core part of our republic forever

2. So we can keep the 2017 Tax Reform which really did help the economy(there is a reason the economy is an issue Trump still gets high marks on and that is thanks to the 2017 tax reform Bill).







Okay, this talking point needs to end. The 2017 tax cuts literally only helped you if you're super rich and you live in a red state. If you don't make much then you didn't get much benefit, and if you live in a blue state, your taxes went up. It's literally a give away to flyover country like KY and WV, why should blue states be bailing out these failed states?


Trump is taking action against the Antifa domestic terrorists.

"Vote for Trump because he’s going to deal with all of the things that got worse during the years he was President!"

One hell of a reelection pitch you've got there. Stick with trade and the SALT deduction.

Yes, because forcing consumers to pay more for goods, because we're scared of imports, is such a good policy...

No those state governments are the ones raising your taxes and here's a deal I will make to restore SALT.


We will restore SALT Only if states are required to let you deduct federal taxes
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2020, 06:22:23 PM »

Donald Trump is an abject outsider.  He has challenged more than the agendas and assumptions of the political establishment; his very manner in appearance, speech and governing is an affront to the Washington political class and media, their norms and euphemisms (which is why they despise rather than simply oppose him.)    

Trump has the instincts to see the wisdom of not writing off the interior of the country as an aging and irredeemable "basket of deplorables."  Despair in America's Heartland has proven the need to question the previously unquestionable tenets of a global, liberal order that only serves to enrich cities and the elites who live there.  Trump is the only candidate campaigning to break American out of the globalist doldrums and transform our national spirit; his opponents only offer misplaced nostalgia for the very past that precipitated the necessity of Trump's politics - there is no transformation, no message, no relief in what they offer to America.

Who do you think the 2017 tax cuts mostly benefited?

Donald Trump can say he hates "the elites" but he keeps rewarding them with massive tax cuts.

Trump's tax changes really benefited pass-through entities and small businesses.

He severely limited the SALT and other deductions aimed at high income earners in in high-tax states.


I dont think you should vote for Trump, but here are two major reasons to vote for a Republican senate:


1. To Stop the Democrats from packing the court and destroying a core part of our republic forever

2. So we can keep the 2017 Tax Reform which really did help the economy(there is a reason the economy is an issue Trump still gets high marks on and that is thanks to the 2017 tax reform Bill).







Okay, this talking point needs to end. The 2017 tax cuts literally only helped you if you're super rich and you live in a red state. If you don't make much then you didn't get much benefit, and if you live in a blue state, your taxes went up. It's literally a give away to flyover country like KY and WV, why should blue states be bailing out these failed states?


Trump is taking action against the Antifa domestic terrorists.

"Vote for Trump because he’s going to deal with all of the things that got worse during the years he was President!"

One hell of a reelection pitch you've got there. Stick with trade and the SALT deduction.

Yes, because forcing consumers to pay more for goods, because we're scared of imports, is such a good policy...

No those state governments are the ones raising your taxes and here's a deal I will make to restore SALT.


We will restore SALT Only if states are required to let you deduct federal taxes


This still doesn't explain why flyover country WWC people deserve a tax cut.

Their states have kept state taxes relatively low so the limitation of SALT doesnt benefit them at all.

This isnt the first time SALT was attempted to be limited: Jack Kemp proposed in the 86 tax reform SALT to be eliminated but Reagan told him they didnt have the votes to do that or else that happens then too.
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