Democrats: Who is the better candidate and who would be the better President?

[Ferguson97]

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[Alben Barkley]

Depends entirely on if we’re talking Bill or Hillary Clinton.

If Bill, Option 4.

If Hillary, Option 2.

I assumed Hillary so voted Option 2.

[darklordoftech]

Biden is the better candidate, but Hillary would make a better President if each of their records are anything to go by.

[SevenEleven]

I think Hillary Clinton would have been a legendary President. I suppose her candidacy was harmed by decades of negative right wing and foreign propaganda, while Biden has been portrayed as the lovable buffoon. But there's nothing about Biden himself that makes him a better candidate, if that makes sense, besides the whole "has a penis" thing.

[SWE]

Both are terrible candidates who mounted very unserious campaigns although Biden at least has a generally good reputation he can coast on and is a man so he has a lot more room for error.

Both would be absolutely horrible presidents, but Biden is less intelligent so he'd likely be less actively destructive.

Voted option 3

[OSR stands with Israel]

If it’s Bill it’s Bill Easily on both counts

If it’s Hillary’s it’s Biden on both counts

[Alben Barkley]

Both are terrible candidates who mounted very unserious campaigns although Biden at least has a generally good reputation he can coast on and is a man so he has a lot more room for error.

Both would be absolutely horrible presidents, but Biden is less intelligent so he'd likely be less actively destructive.

Voted option 3

Imagine writing this as someone who unironically calls himself a socialist and Howie Hawkins supporter.

Mega cringe.

The dumbest part (and it is ALL extremely dumb) is saying Biden’s campaign is “unserious” while, again, supporting Hawkins and there is a 90% or so chance Biden will be the most powerful man in the world in a few months. But Hawkins has a 0% chance, just like every Green Party candidate ever has or ever will.

[Alben Barkley]

If it’s Bill it’s Bill Easily on both counts

If it’s Hillary’s it’s Biden on both counts

See I don’t get this either.

If you like Bill, you should like Hillary. They have always been a package deal. The whole reason Hillary would be better is it would be like adding an extra 4-8 years of Bill’s presidency but without the sex scandal baggage.

I still think it was a huge missed opportunity for Hillary’s campaign to not use Bill more, to not take his advice more, and to not capitalize on 90s nostalgia more (would help with the young vote at the time a hell of a lot more thsn “Pokemon Go to the Polls.”)

That’s a big part of why I think she as a worse candidate, but I still think she would be a phenomenal president. Probably no other human on Earth is more qualified and ready for the job.

[SWE]

Both are terrible candidates who mounted very unserious campaigns although Biden at least has a generally good reputation he can coast on and is a man so he has a lot more room for error.

Both would be absolutely horrible presidents, but Biden is less intelligent so he'd likely be less actively destructive.

Voted option 3

Imagine writing this as someone who unironically calls himself a socialist and Howie Hawkins supporter.

Mega cringe.

The dumbest part (and it is ALL extremely dumb) is saying Biden’s campaign is “unserious” while, again, supporting Hawkins and there is a 90% or so chance Biden will be the most powerful man in the world in a few months. But Hawkins has a 0% chance, just like every Green Party candidate ever has or ever will.

This is just a series of non sequitors

[OSR stands with Israel]

If it’s Bill it’s Bill Easily on both counts

If it’s Hillary’s it’s Biden on both counts

See I don’t get this either.

If you like Bill, you should like Hillary. They have always been a package deal. The whole reason Hillary would be better is it would be like adding an extra 4-8 years of Bill’s presidency but without the sex scandal baggage.

I still think it was a huge missed opportunity for Hillary’s campaign to not use Bill more, to not take his advice more, and to not capitalize on 90s nostalgia more (would help with the young vote at the time a hell of a lot more thsn “Pokemon Go to the Polls.”)

That’s a big part of why I think she as a worse candidate, but I still think she would be a phenomenal president. Probably no other human on Earth is more qualified and ready for the job.

Hillary renounced much of Bill Clinton’s accomplishment and anyway yes while they were a total package deal in his first two years , it was significantly less so after 94. Bill Clinton did things Hillary never would like welfare reform , capital gains tax cuts , deregulation etc


Also Bill Clinton was much much more better on immigration than Hillary and while Hillary pandered you’re sjw , Bill Clinton even in 2016 and now calls those people out

[GeneralMacArthur]

I'm assuming we're talking about Hillary Clinton.  She would've made an excellent president and has better judgment than Joe Biden.  But Biden is clearly a far better candidate.

If we're talking about Bill Clinton, the best president since LBJ, clearly a better president and a better candidate.

[TDAS04]

Option 2.  Hillary is extremely underrated, both as a leader and as a person, but she has problems winning elections (because too many people hate her irrationally).

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Biden is a better candidate and would be a better President.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

If it’s Bill it’s Bill Easily on both counts

If it’s Hillary’s it’s Biden on both counts

See I don’t get this either.

If you like Bill, you should like Hillary. They have always been a package deal. The whole reason Hillary would be better is it would be like adding an extra 4-8 years of Bill’s presidency but without the sex scandal baggage.

I still think it was a huge missed opportunity for Hillary’s campaign to not use Bill more, to not take his advice more, and to not capitalize on 90s nostalgia more (would help with the young vote at the time a hell of a lot more thsn “Pokemon Go to the Polls.”)

That’s a big part of why I think she as a worse candidate, but I still think she would be a phenomenal president. Probably no other human on Earth is more qualified and ready for the job.

Strongly disagree with the idea that they were always a package deal. Hillary's 2008, and especially, 2016 economic plan, were significantly to the left of her husband's. She also took a much softer stance on the death penalty, though that was of course when criminal justice reform (rather than "tough on crime") became a major campaign issue.

Though of course, we are comparing two completely different political eras. The country had already moved left in many ways since the 90's. Things like gay marriage and states legalizing marijuana would have back then been unthinkable. And I certainly don't think a President Hillary Clinton would have signed a 21st century Glass-Steagall repeal act - something that even Republicans look back on negatively.

But regardless, it's extremely disingenuous and even a bit insulting to Hillary to say that they were always "a package deal". I am no longer a fan of the Clintons, but they're still two different people with different minds and different accomplishments, both in their political and professional lives. It's not as though they both had earpieces on frequently consulting with each other. And, based on an article I read a long, long time ago, even Hillary's influence in Bill's White House started to diminish after the failed health care debacle and she started becoming politically toxic. Although IIRC she was involved later in the creation of CHIP, but that was about it.

I think it's also safe to say that Hillary was far less hesitant to resort to military force than her husband, and the US military would have been far more active with her as president than her husband.

For all of Bill Clinton's mistakes during his presidency, his saving grace is the fact that, for the most part, both parties and most of the country agreed on deregulation and gutting welfare. Given how fickle the voting public is, we still would've heard the same "tax-and-spend liberal" rhetoric coming from Republicans on top of inane conspiracy theories under a Hillary Clinton presidency, but there still would be growing populist influence in both parties, with or without Trump and Bernie.

TL;DR very rarely do politicians themselves define the era. It's almost always the other way around.

[Horus]

Easily Biden. Hillary was a horrific candidate who would've surrounded herself with some of the most detestable figures in the party had she won. Biden is at least listening to more people.

[President Johnson]

Joe Biden is a much stronger candidate and will be a better president than Hillary would have been. He'll also be a better president than Bill. He'll govern as a pragmatic center-left president and surround himself with excellent people. With a Democratic congress, he could become a better president than Obama.

[Xing]

Biden for both, but that's not saying a great deal, especially in the case of who's a better candidate.