SENATE RESOLUTION: Vice President Reform Amendment (Passed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would just say "delegation" in that case. "Fill in for" should be changed to "exercise."

The bit about 72 hours strikes me as along time to be without a president of Congress. In Frémont we allow the speaker to carry out the FM's procedural duties whenever the latter is unavailable (in essence whoever gets to it first), which I think is a good system and useful in situations where for instance a continuing resolution needs to be passed in less than 72 hours and the VP is unreachable.

More conceptually, I don't see why we need a vice president and a deputy president, but I don't have strong feelings about it either way.

Is this the relevant passage:

Section 5. Should the first minister, by reason of death, recall, or resignation, become unable to execute the duties of their office, then the Speaker of Parliament shall become interim first minister

Frankly that seems too restrictive, no?

No. The relevant language is in Article I and the Standing Orders for parliament.

The first minister shall be President of Parliament, and accordingly shall enjoy all the rights of membership thereof. The first minister and the whole body of Members shall together compose Parliament.

In the declared absence of the Speaker, or the undeclared absence of the same for a period exceeding seventy-two (72) hours, the First Minister shall assume the powers of the Speakership ...

So this amendment is functionally the FT system, with the difference that FT's standing orders also allow the FM to suspend the 72 hour requirement and assume the speaker's duties immediately.

I think I understand, though I am confused about whether it is the Speaker assuming FM or FM assuming Speaker as you seem to say both.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

I would just say "delegation" in that case. "Fill in for" should be changed to "exercise."

The bit about 72 hours strikes me as along time to be without a president of Congress. In Frémont we allow the speaker to carry out the FM's procedural duties whenever the latter is unavailable (in essence whoever gets to it first), which I think is a good system and useful in situations where for instance a continuing resolution needs to be passed in less than 72 hours and the VP is unreachable.

More conceptually, I don't see why we need a vice president and a deputy president, but I don't have strong feelings about it either way.

Is this the relevant passage:

Section 5. Should the first minister, by reason of death, recall, or resignation, become unable to execute the duties of their office, then the Speaker of Parliament shall become interim first minister

Frankly that seems too restrictive, no?

No. The relevant language is in Article I and the Standing Orders for parliament.

The first minister shall be President of Parliament, and accordingly shall enjoy all the rights of membership thereof. The first minister and the whole body of Members shall together compose Parliament.

In the declared absence of the Speaker, or the undeclared absence of the same for a period exceeding seventy-two (72) hours, the First Minister shall assume the powers of the Speakership ...

So this amendment is functionally the FT system, with the difference that FT's standing orders also allow the FM to suspend the 72 hour requirement and assume the speaker's duties immediately.

I think I understand, though I am confused about whether it is the Speaker assuming FM or FM assuming Speaker as you seem to say both.

It is both.

[Mike Thick]

I move for a final vote. 24 hours to object

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Objecting till I get home, I want to make one last review of the text first.

 I also want to make sure we are in a good position to pass this, so if there are lingering concerns that can be addressed let's get them taken care of.

[Mike Thick]

Yeah, on second thought I'll withdraw the motion. Want some more time to look it over.

[Mike Thick]

I don't have any strong objections to this. I think while ultimately a more systemic reform of the VP position would be good, greasing the procedural wheels in Congress is a step in the right direction.

I'm a little uneasy handing over tiebreaking power to someone not elected on the Presidential ticket or appointed by the President. However, that's not a big enough deal for me to oppose the whole thing.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I PMed everyone of you to ask you to post your current thoughts on this and only Ted has done so.


THIS IS AN UNNACCEPTABLE CONDITION, UNNNACCEPTABLE CONDITION!!!! ONE MILLION YEARS DUNGEON!!!!!!!!

[Esteemed Jimmy]

I’d only support this if the President chooses and appoints the Deputy to be confirmed.

[Mike Thick]

Amendment

SENATE RESOLUTION

To amend Article 4 to provide for the creation of a Deputy President of Congress.

Upon joint concurrence of the resolution by both Houses of Congress Assembled and ratified by the regions That Article 4, Section 3, Clause 4 shall read as follows:

At the beginning of each session of Congress, or whenever the post shall be vacant, a joint session of both houses of Congress convened by the Senate Presiding Officer the President shall select, with the consent of both houses of Congress, a Deputy President of Congress to exercise the Vice President's duties in the Congress whenever the Vice President shall have resigned, delegated, declared an absence or was inactive for a period of 24 hours.

Amendment Explanation

This amendment if ratified would provide a mechanism for the selection of a Deputy President of Congress.

People's Regional Senate
Pending

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Friendly,

Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment is adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Once again, any last minute concerns or desired changes?

[Mike Thick]

Once again, any last minute concerns or desired changes?

I'm ready to vote on this if y'all are

[Mike Thick]

Motion for a final vote, baby

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A Final Vote is now open on this legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Devout Centrist]

Aye

[At-Large Senator LouisvilleThunder]

Aye

[Former President tack50]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Votes to pass, Senators have 24 hours to change their vote.

[Mike Thick]

Aye!

[Esteemed Jimmy]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Final Passage of the Vice President Reform Amendment:

Aye (6): Devout Centrist, Jimmy, LT, NC Yankee, Tack50 and TedBessell
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (0):

This resolution has passed the Senate and is sent to the House.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

SENATE RESOLUTION

To amend Article 4 to provide for the creation of a Deputy President of Congress.

Upon joint concurrence of the resolution by both Houses of Congress Assembled and ratified by the regions That Article 4, Section 3, Clause 4 shall read as follows:

At the beginning of each session of Congress, or whenever the post shall be vacant, a joint session of both houses of Congress convened by the Senate Presiding Officer the President shall select, with the consent of both houses of Congress, a Deputy President of Congress to exercise the Vice President's duties in the Congress whenever the Vice President shall have resigned, delegated, declared an absence or was inactive for a period of 24 hours.

Amendment Explanation

This amendment if ratified would provide a mechanism for the selection of a Deputy President of Congress.

People's Regional Senate
Passed 6-0 in the Atlasian Senate Assembled,