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« Reply #150 on: September 20, 2020, 03:10:34 PM »



Oh I’m sure what the people want most definitely factors into Mitch McConnell’s plans.  /s

Don't get me wrong; I still fully believe that they will push forward on a vote before January and will probably get Trump's appointee installed, but this poll is just another early indicator that this issue isn't the political bonanza for Republicans that some suspected.

And even though McConnell usually gets what he wants, let's not pretend that's always the case. He tried his hardest to get the ACA "skinny repeal" bill through the Senate in 2017 and was embarrassingly defeated in the floor vote at the very last minute. His biggest asset, IMHO, is the fact that Democrats think he's some strategic mastermind who always wins and so they treat every legislative issue as fait accompli as a result.
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« Reply #151 on: September 20, 2020, 03:17:17 PM »

Alexander supports a vote.



Really no plausible defections left besides Romney and Grassley.
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« Reply #152 on: September 20, 2020, 03:47:37 PM »

Hot take: Collins and Murkowski are waiting to see whether the Dems actually manage to flip the Senate.
And for Collins, if she keeps her job.
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« Reply #153 on: September 20, 2020, 03:55:35 PM »

Alexander supports a vote.



Really no plausible defections left besides Romney and Grassley.
At least he's giving the realpolitik argument, not the lame and factually incorrect "in 2016 we actually meant only nominees from opposing party Presidents should not be taken up by the Senate in election years" argument.
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« Reply #154 on: September 20, 2020, 04:58:22 PM »

If/when Ds take the senate, Breyer needs to retire ASAP.
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« Reply #155 on: September 20, 2020, 05:01:49 PM »

Alexander supports a vote.



Really no plausible defections left besides Romney and Grassley.

Yeah this is looking like a done deal unless it gets delayed to the lame duck and Mark Kelly wins (Romney could stop it), but even then they could still have the votes.
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« Reply #156 on: September 20, 2020, 05:39:39 PM »

Collins and Murkowski are a no. Now they just have to work on convincing their colleagues. The Democrats should offer something like lowering prescription drug prices and sending cash to seniors in exchange for a more moderate nominee.
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« Reply #157 on: September 20, 2020, 05:45:47 PM »

Collins and Murkowski are a no. Now they just have to work on convincing their colleagues. The Democrats should offer something like lowering prescription drug prices and sending cash to seniors in exchange for a more moderate nominee.

What do Republicans get out of this? Both parties want to lower prescription drug prices.
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« Reply #158 on: September 20, 2020, 05:46:12 PM »

Collins and Murkowski are a no. Now they just have to work on convincing their colleagues. The Democrats should offer something like lowering prescription drug prices and sending cash to seniors in exchange for a more moderate nominee.

“You give us the holy grail, we’ll give you this ordinary cup.”
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« Reply #159 on: September 20, 2020, 05:51:52 PM »

Collins and Murkowski are a no. Now they just have to work on convincing their colleagues. The Democrats should offer something like lowering prescription drug prices and sending cash to seniors in exchange for a more moderate nominee.

What do Republicans get out of this? Both parties want to lower prescription drug prices.

Lol, neither party does. Look at the insulin price cap. In many states, Instead of limiting the price the pharma companies could charge, numerous Eli Lilly funded hacks in the mold of Jim Clyburn instead switched it to limiting co-pays, which of course does nothing except raise premiums for the patient and everyone else. Even if the Democrats win the Senate handily, that's the closest thing we're going to get to pharmaceutical price reform and any attempt at instituting a public option will fall victim to the same lobbying.
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« Reply #160 on: September 20, 2020, 06:02:40 PM »

Collins and Murkowski are a no. Now they just have to work on convincing their colleagues. The Democrats should offer something like lowering prescription drug prices and sending cash to seniors in exchange for a more moderate nominee.

“You give us the holy grail, we’ll give you this ordinary cup.”

You feel that lowering drug prices for seniors is an "ordinary cup"? I am not saying that has to be all there is, but what I am saying is there should be some sort of legislative deal offered.
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« Reply #161 on: September 20, 2020, 11:41:13 PM »

Collins and Murkowski are a no. Now they just have to work on convincing their colleagues. The Democrats should offer something like lowering prescription drug prices and sending cash to seniors in exchange for a more moderate nominee.

“You give us the holy grail, we’ll give you this ordinary cup.”

The Holy Grail was an ordinary cup...
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« Reply #162 on: September 20, 2020, 11:51:02 PM »

Alexander supports a vote.



Really no plausible defections left besides Romney and Grassley.
At least he's giving the realpolitik argument, not the lame and factually incorrect "in 2016 we actually meant only nominees from opposing party Presidents should not be taken up by the Senate in election years" argument.

I'm sure he'll take the same realpolitik approach in his response if and when a Democratic trifecta increases the size of the Court.
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« Reply #163 on: September 21, 2020, 01:29:02 AM »

Collins and Murkowski are a no. Now they just have to work on convincing their colleagues. The Democrats should offer something like lowering prescription drug prices and sending cash to seniors in exchange for a more moderate nominee.

What do Republicans get out of this? Both parties want to lower prescription drug prices.

Lol, neither party does. Look at the insulin price cap. In many states, Instead of limiting the price the pharma companies could charge, numerous Eli Lilly funded hacks in the mold of Jim Clyburn instead switched it to limiting co-pays, which of course does nothing except raise premiums for the patient and everyone else. Even if the Democrats win the Senate handily, that's the closest thing we're going to get to pharmaceutical price reform and any attempt at instituting a public option will fall victim to the same lobbying.

In 2017, the California Democratic party rigged their state chair election for a pharma lobbyist. I guess they figured why not literally have big pharma run the party.
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« Reply #164 on: September 21, 2020, 05:32:31 AM »

this country sucks
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« Reply #165 on: September 21, 2020, 08:21:49 AM »

GOP's Supreme Court hypocrisy in their own words
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Searching for a way to make the naked power grab look principled, McConnell seized on a statement made by Vice President Joe Biden back in 1992, in which Biden asserted that there should be no vote on a Supreme Court nominee in an election year.

McConnell said that stance showed that his decision was "about a principle, not a person" and tried to pass it off as a long-standing tradition (it is not).

Republican senators strained themselves trying to get in line behind their leader, echoing the argument that their blatantly partisan decision to block a vote on a Supreme Court nominee nine months before an election was indeed really about principles. And it's worth reading their statements from back then to fully appreciate the head-spinning hypocrisy at work.

The article is a nice collection of statements from GOP Senators that will look extremely hypocritical with the nomination from Trump.
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« Reply #166 on: September 21, 2020, 08:35:47 AM »

If RBG replacement gets confirmed and seated at the court before the election or after, despite Biden winning, I think the big takeaway is that SCOTUS nominations are only permitted when the prez' party controls the senate. Otherwise, there is just no confirmation, no matter how far the current term of office has progressed.
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« Reply #167 on: September 21, 2020, 09:54:57 AM »

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« Reply #168 on: September 21, 2020, 11:08:53 AM »

Democrats complaining about fair play when all they did was play dirty for 4 years. Come off it.
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« Reply #169 on: September 21, 2020, 11:13:49 AM »

Democrats complaining about fair play when all they did was play dirty for 4 years. Come off it.

Yet again, you're trying to draw a false equivalence between legitmiate investigations based in reality with the single most arrogant man ever to serve in the US Senate.
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« Reply #170 on: September 21, 2020, 11:50:07 AM »

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« Reply #171 on: September 21, 2020, 01:07:45 PM »

Would Lagoa be any better than Barrett? Barrett is basically the poster child for the anti-abortion agenda, but Idk if Lagoa would be any better.

Yes, I know they'd both probably be bad.
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« Reply #172 on: September 21, 2020, 01:16:36 PM »

Democrats complaining about fair play when all they did was play dirty for 4 years. Come off it.
This post is... amazing. Just amazing. Painting Trump and McConnell as principled victims and painting Pelosi and Schumer as high-energy immoral lawbreakers is sufficient projection to launch one's self into the next dimension.
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« Reply #173 on: September 21, 2020, 04:26:53 PM »

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« Reply #174 on: September 21, 2020, 04:46:57 PM »


It would be an insult for RBG to be replaced by Amy Coney Barrett.
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