Let's face it. It's probably never going to happen BUT

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The most likely of impossible scenarios, IMO, would be racial polarization dooming an unbudging GOP to control only a small part of the Midwest. Eventually, we would get Social Democrat and Christian Democrat factions.

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The most likely of impossible scenarios, IMO, would be racial polarization dooming an unbudging GOP to control only a small part of the Midwest. Eventually, we would get Social Democrat and Christian Democrat factions.

Define "Social Democrat" and "Christian Democrat" please.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy

I bet you're sitting there like "oh boy oh boy oh boy is he talking about my obscure ideology"

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The most likely of impossible scenarios, IMO, would be racial polarization dooming an unbudging GOP to control only a small part of the Midwest. Eventually, we would get Social Democrat and Christian Democrat factions.

Define "Social Democrat" and "Christian Democrat" please.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_democracy

I bet you're sitting there like "oh boy oh boy oh boy is he talking about my obscure ideology"

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I'll rephrase it better: what would be the main and most profound differences between the two factions?

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Not much. A Christian Democrat is usually "socially moderate" and takes a more decentralized approach to welfare programs, typically prioritizing the state, local, or neighborhood church level. Assuming the country is in such bad shape that a party has collapsed there's probably some consensus around bigger government to solve those problems. Most of you have probably heard of Social Democracy but Christian Democracy is an idea that hasn't really come to the Anglosphere yet.

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Not much. A Christian Democrat is usually "socially moderate" and takes a more decentralized approach to welfare programs, typically prioritizing the state, local, or neighborhood church level. Assuming the country is in such bad shape that a party has collapsed there's probably some consensus around bigger government to solve those problems. Most of you have probably heard of Social Democracy but Christian Democracy is an idea that hasn't really come to the Anglosphere yet.

I come from the Italosphere, so I am pretty used to the idea of Christian Democracy. At the same time I know that it is not really part of the Anglosphere. Indeed what animated my questions is that I don't really see much space for Christian Democracy in the American Democratic Party.

I can see it as a far future evolution of the populist and progressive ideas being thrown around right now with input from Latin American immigrants. Localism was an element in historical American politics that disappeared because of industrialization, but those sentiments are starting to stir again in the post-industrial age. Americans have already become more insular.

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Not much. A Christian Democrat is usually "socially moderate" and takes a more decentralized approach to welfare programs, typically prioritizing the state, local, or neighborhood church level. Assuming the country is in such bad shape that a party has collapsed there's probably some consensus around bigger government to solve those problems. Most of you have probably heard of Social Democracy but Christian Democracy is an idea that hasn't really come to the Anglosphere yet.

I come from the Italosphere, so I am pretty used to the idea of Christian Democracy. At the same time I know that it is not really part of the Anglosphere. Indeed what animated my questions is that I don't really see much space for Christian Democracy in the American Democratic Party.

I can see it as a far future evolution of the populist and progressive ideas being thrown around right now with input from Latin American immigrants. Localism was an element in historical American politics that disappeared because of industrialization, but those sentiments are starting to stir again in the post-industrial age. Americans have already become more insular.

OK That makes more sense to me. So the "Christian Democrat" faction would be primarily composed of Latin Americans?

I think so, but in general I'd expect Social Democrats to do better in the cities and Christian Democrats in rural areas. Like a more balanced version of the First Party System. Mexican-American communities along the Rio Grande and the Deep South Black Belt might vote for the more conservative option than those who left for the cities, where economic and political centralization is in their interest and neighborly charity doesn't cut it.

This being America, "socialism" is a bad word unlike in Europe (although neither seem to understand what it actually is, *ahem* the workers owning the means of production), so expect socialized anything to come under a different name embracing the rugged individualist tradition. I don't think these parties would actually be called Social Democrats or Christian Democrats, but that would be the idea. Welfarists of varying degrees. God forbid we actually cure the problem instead of just treating it.

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"Populist Party" vs. "Progressive Party"

or maybe one of them is called the "People's Party".

Another spin of a country with a similar situation could be the "People's Party" LoC Establishment) vs. big tent center-right alliance "The American Alliance".

Sounds like an interesting timeline in the making!