Biden's campaign admits that they're full of sh**t

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While Biden is publicly promising to curtail big banks’ excesses, Biden staffers are privately “reassuring industry leaders that he won’t focus on the issue while in office,” the Washington Post reported this morning in two separate articles.

As one investment banker described Biden campaign calls to financiers, “They basically said, ‘Listen, this is just an exercise to keep the [Elizabeth] Warren people happy, and don’t read too much into it.’”

Specifically, the Biden campaign is disavowing a number of the former vice president’s progressive policy proposals which are displeasing big banks, most notably his push to allow consumers to set up bank accounts through the Federal Reserve and access banking services at the U.S. Post Office.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bidens-flexibility-on-policy-could-mean-bloody-fights-if-he-wins/2020/09/06/b8d66c3c-e622-11ea-bc79-834454439a44_story.html?hpid=hp_convention-tt-1_bidenmalleability-12pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans#comments-wrapper

[gerritcole]

Neoliberal shills gonna be neoliberal shills

[Storr]

Not surprising, but disappointing nonetheless.

Edit: But still better than Trump.

[DrScholl]

Because we all know how reliable these sort of articles are.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

But I thought the moderate Republican voters were all for protecting big banks! Isn't that how Trump's keeping support rallied behind him? /s

The former Senator for the credit card state is probably not going to support policy as bad as this across the board, but progressives in Congress are going to have to prepare to push the envelope on all sorts of issues.

[redjohn]

Ugh, this is going to get some prominent progressives upset. We know what we're getting with Biden; a neoliberal and very flawed candidate who will be a million times better than the literal fascist, xenophobic racist in office.

Let's get him in office and then use the capital we've built from supporting him to force him to actually follow through with progressive policies. If he loses, we have absolutely nothing. There's nothing to gain from not voting for him. We have zero chance of swaying Trump on even a single issue.

[catographer]

Aside from the postal service and Federal Reserve bank accounts items, the article doesn’t mention any specific banking-financial related policies that they are disavowing. Hopefully he appoints pro-consumer and pro-worker people instead of banking and corporate folks.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Aside from the postal service and Federal Reserve bank accounts items, the article doesn’t mention any specific banking-financial related policies that they are disavowing. Hopefully he appoints pro-consumer and pro-worker people instead of banking and corporate folks.

It walked back commitment to the Unity Task Force policies en masse, claiming they were merely recommendations to Biden's campaign as opposed to, you know, compromises specifically made by his team for his acceptance.

Gregory Meeks and several lobbyists have recently been arguing that the revolving door must remain for the sake of diversity. Suggesting there are almost no minorities capable of being administrative officials outside of Wall Street is racist nonsense, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that line trotted out in defence of various ghouls in due course.

None of this bodes well for January. That is when I would have expected the abandonment of reforms to begin.

[Pericles]

How do we know that the Warren people and not the bankers are the ones getting played here? Still, hopefully Biden keeps his word, or perhaps more accurately is kept to it. We do know though that Donald Trump will be much worse in virtually every way than Biden, and the only way to stop Trump winning again is to actually vote for Biden.

[Rand]

Whaaaaa? Political candidates say things to get elected that they don’t actually mean?

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-lock-her-up-chant/index.html

Whaaaaa?

[catographer]

Aside from the postal service and Federal Reserve bank accounts items, the article doesn’t mention any specific banking-financial related policies that they are disavowing. Hopefully he appoints pro-consumer and pro-worker people instead of banking and corporate folks.

It walked back commitment to the Unity Task Force policies en masse, claiming they were merely recommendations to Biden's campaign as opposed to, you know, compromises specifically made by his team for his acceptance.

Gregory Meeks and several lobbyists have recently been arguing that the revolving door must remain for the sake of diversity. Suggesting there are almost no minorities capable of being administrative officials outside of Wall Street is racist nonsense, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that line trotted out in defence of various ghouls in due course.

None of this bodes well for January. That is when I would have expected the abandonment of reforms to begin.

It’s been clear the whole time that the task force documents were recommendations, and were separate from Biden’s campaign platform. They’ve never been dishonest about that, as far as I’m aware. Meanwhile, the actual items in Biden’s real campaign platform and proposed agenda are big progressive policies on all fronts.

His website explicitly endorsed Warren’s bankruptcy reform bill. Nothing in the bill includes anything mentioned in this article. I’m not aware that Biden’s close advisors are opposed to this. https://joebiden.com/bankruptcyreform/

Of course, we’re all doing speculation about what kind of President Biden would be. At the end of the day, whether you think he’s gonna be centrist or moderate depends on whether you trust him and his team.

I personally have some reservations too about whether he’s progressive enough. I’m pessimistic that he’ll withdraw from stupid wars for example.

[walleye26]

The funny thing is if Trump did this the media would be talking about “his new awesome 4-D chess strategy to calm down industry experts while gaining suburban moderates.”

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Because we all know how reliable these sort of articles are.

THIS! ^^^

Also, who's vote is supposed to be changed by this article lol?

[GeneralMacArthur]

Because we all know how reliable these sort of articles are.

THIS! ^^^

Also, who's vote is supposed to be changed by this article lol?

The people who spent the last four years complaining about ten thousand horrible things Trump did, but now are looking for any single thing to hate about Biden so they can have an excuse to sit at home and not vote again.  And then spend the next 4 years blaming the Democrats for not defeating Trump.

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How do we know that the Warren people and not the bankers are the ones getting played here? Still, hopefully Biden keeps his word, or perhaps more accurately is kept to it. We do know though that Donald Trump will be much worse in virtually every way than Biden, and the only way to stop Trump winning again is to actually vote for Biden.

Well, we could check Biden's 36 years of voting record in the Senate and his 8 years as VP to have a pretty good idea what his real positions are, or we could go with some things on his website that his own campaign are telling the people Biden has always sided with to ignore.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Remember the audio that leaked in 2016 of Hillary complaining at a fundraiser about Bernie supporters wanting to turn America into "Scandinavia or whatever"?

Yeah, this ain't it

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Because we all know how reliable these sort of articles are.

THIS! ^^^

Also, who's vote is supposed to be changed by this article lol?

The people who spent the last four years complaining about ten thousand horrible things Trump did, but now are looking for any single thing to hate about Biden so they can have an excuse to sit at home and not vote again.  And then spend the next 4 years blaming the Democrats for not defeating Trump.

So, Jfern?

[Alben Barkley]

Individual bank accounts through the Federal Reserve is an incredibly stupid idea.

Banking at the post office is more just a pointless idea. The reason people used to be able to open savings accounts at their local post office is no longer relevant, which is why it was abolished in the first place.

Any "progressive" who sits at home because of these policies of all things deserves four more years of Donald Trump. Unfortunately, I don't, and neither do millions of others who will have to suffer for your stupidity.

[Lambsbread]

First of all, it’s not like anyone is under the assumption that Biden is going to govern like a progressive under any circumstances, at least as far as fiscal policy goes. But he will be better for working class people than four more years of Trump and the expectation is that the coalition that elects Biden consists of some folks who will be vehemently opposed to him if and when he does backtrack on policies like this.

Second of all, can we, uh, yknow, pump the breaks on saying Biden has sold out and won’t enact these policies point blank period? Lol. “Some staffers are saying” yeah and some staffers were saying that Trump would put Hillary in prison and uncover proof of aliens and sh*t. What a weird thing to base your vote off of.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

How do we know that the Warren people and not the bankers are the ones getting played here?

Because that's never happened. The monied interests and donors always get first audience.

I'm particularly disappointed about his walking back the USPS banking commitment. That would be a hugely beneficial policy for poor Americans, without having to deal with corporate fees at every turn.

Hopefully if this happens, Warren really comes to feel like s*** for staying in on Super Tuesday. Everything you ever claimed to care about in your career basically came to nothing, and you didn't even get to be VP for it.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Individual bank accounts through the Federal Reserve is an incredibly stupid idea.

Banking at the post office is more just a pointless idea. The reason people used to be able to open savings accounts at their local post office is no longer relevant, which is why it was abolished in the first place.

It was abolished because banks opposed it, not because it "wasn't relevant".... conservadems will bend over backwards to defend every single issue he flips on in the next four years.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Whaaaaa? Political candidates say things to get elected that they don’t actually mean?

Normally to the public, not on private phone calls to their banking donors.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

How do we know that the Warren people and not the bankers are the ones getting played here?

Hopefully if this happens, Warren really comes to feel like s*** for staying in on Super Tuesday. Everything you ever claimed to care about in your career basically came to nothing, and you didn't even get to be VP for it.

Can we stop with this revisionist history that Warren voters would’ve gone to Bernie if she dropped out? Polling always showed they split evenly between he and Biden, and when she actually left the vast majority went to Biden. Bernie didn’t lose because Warren didn’t endorse him, he lost because his staff burned nearly every bridge to the other candidates and campaigns with their toxic tendencies.

[DaleCooper]

How do we know that the Warren people and not the bankers are the ones getting played here?

Hopefully if this happens, Warren really comes to feel like s*** for staying in on Super Tuesday. Everything you ever claimed to care about in your career basically came to nothing, and you didn't even get to be VP for it.

Can we stop with this revisionist history that Warren voters would’ve gone to Bernie if she dropped out? Polling always showed they split evenly between he and Biden, and when she actually left the vast majority went to Biden. Bernie didn’t lose because Warren didn’t endorse him, he lost because his staff burned nearly every bridge to the other candidates and campaigns with their toxic tendencies.

There's always an excuse for why Bernie didn't win, and it's never the simple fact that not enough people in the Democratic primary wanted to vote for him.

[WD]

How do we know that the Warren people and not the bankers are the ones getting played here?

Hopefully if this happens, Warren really comes to feel like s*** for staying in on Super Tuesday. Everything you ever claimed to care about in your career basically came to nothing, and you didn't even get to be VP for it.

Can we stop with this revisionist history that Warren voters would’ve gone to Bernie if she dropped out? Polling always showed they split evenly between he and Biden, and when she actually left the vast majority went to Biden. Bernie didn’t lose because Warren didn’t endorse him, he lost because his staff burned nearly every bridge to the other candidates and campaigns with their toxic tendencies.

There's always an excuse for why Bernie didn't win, and it's never the simple fact that not enough people in the Democratic primary wanted to vote for him.

This. The Democratic base didn’t want Bernie, plain and simple. He didn’t try at all to broaden his appeal past the 25% that supports him. Because of that he never really had a chance.

You can’t win a primary with only a quarter of the party behind you. Until progressives understand that and try to broaden their appeal they won’t be winning presidential primaries.