C.D.C. tells states to be ready to distribute a vaccine by November, raising election concerns

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

If a vaccine comes out before November it's probably game over for Biden.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. Why don't you just say that you are an obnoxious Trump supporter and get it over with?

It is not trolling to say one of the biggest October surprises in the history of October surprises could probably tilt the board heavily in Trump's favour.

[Horus]

If a vaccine comes out before November it's probably game over for Biden.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. Why don't you just say that you are an obnoxious Trump supporter and get it over with?

It is not trolling to say one of the biggest October surprises in the history of October surprises could probably tilt the board heavily in Trump's favour.

Many are convinced Biden's lead is baked in. I am not, Trump has been down worse than this before. We haven't even had debates yet.

[Tekken_Guy]

If a vaccine comes out before November it's probably game over for Biden.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. Why don't you just say that you are an obnoxious Trump supporter and get it over with?

It is not trolling to say one of the biggest October surprises in the history of October surprises could probably tilt the board heavily in Trump's favour.

Is it trolling to say that the public will want reassurance it is effective and not dangerous before they give Trump credit for it?

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

If a vaccine comes out before November it's probably game over for Biden.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. Why don't you just say that you are an obnoxious Trump supporter and get it over with?

It is not trolling to say one of the biggest October surprises in the history of October surprises could probably tilt the board heavily in Trump's favour.

Is it trolling to say that the public will want reassurance it is effective and not dangerous before they give Trump credit for it?

No (on balance, I think it probably wouldn't swing enough votes to wipe out all of Biden's lead), but if Trump seizes an opportunity to sound In Control^TM and benevolent, policy failure might become completely irrelevant in the short term as a rally-around-the-flag effect - one he denied himself earlier - finally manifests at the right tie. It worked for Cuomo and it worked for BoJo.

[Alben Barkley]

If a vaccine comes out before November it's probably game over for Biden.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. Why don't you just say that you are an obnoxious Trump supporter and get it over with?

It is not trolling to say one of the biggest October surprises in the history of October surprises could probably tilt the board heavily in Trump's favour.

Many are convinced Biden's lead is baked in. I am not, Trump has been down worse than this before. We haven't even had debates yet.

Trump was never down this badly this consistently against Hillary. No candidate in recent history has been down this badly in fact and then come back, at least no incumbent.

And as for debates, why would you assume this would help Trump? He has literally never won a one-on-one debate while Biden has never lost one.

As for the “October surprise” factor, wouldn’t be much of a surprise would it if we’re talking about it now? It’s pretty transparent what Trump might be trying to do, and most people will have voted by late October anyway as has been repeatedly pointed out. Plus there is no way the vaccine will actually be ready for distribution immediately, so it will still be several months after the election at best before people begin to see a change in their daily lives.

Hardly comparable to October surprises like the 1968 peace talks or even the Comey letter in 2016.

[DrScholl]

If a vaccine comes out before November it's probably game over for Biden.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. Why don't you just say that you are an obnoxious Trump supporter and get it over with?

It is not trolling to say one of the biggest October surprises in the history of October surprises could probably tilt the board heavily in Trump's favour.

A vaccine isn't going to change that many minds. The mismanagement of the pandemic won't go away with a vaccine and that mismanagement is what voters will be voting on.

[Alben Barkley]

If a vaccine comes out before November it's probably game over for Biden.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. Why don't you just say that you are an obnoxious Trump supporter and get it over with?

It is not trolling to say one of the biggest October surprises in the history of October surprises could probably tilt the board heavily in Trump's favour.

Is it trolling to say that the public will want reassurance it is effective and not dangerous before they give Trump credit for it?

No (on balance, I think it probably wouldn't swing enough votes to wipe out all of Biden's lead), but if Trump seizes an opportunity to sound In Control^TM and benevolent, policy failure might become completely irrelevant in the short term as a rally-around-the-flag effect - one he denied himself earlier - finally manifests at the right tie. It worked for Cuomo and it worked for BoJo.

Cuomo and BoJo got those effects when the virus broke. Trump didn’t get much of one then in part because his response sucked and he was seen as incompetent, but perhaps even moreso because his approval has remained incredibly static throughout his entire term. Even during the brief moment when more people than not approved of his virus response, they still didn’t approve of him. People have their minds solidly made up about him, and no cynical last minute desperate ploy is suddenly going to make those who hated him for years change their minds. And people are even more skeptical about his virus response now than they were initially, so any bounce he might see is almost assuredly going to be not as big, and again it was pathetic in the first place.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I don't think this would have that much of an impact. A lot of people will have voted by mail already, and the amount of people who will not yet have voted and will potentially change their minds over this are too small to make an impact.

The pandemic is the #1 issue. It killed 200k, shut down the economy, forced kids to miss school, postponed the Olympics etc.

To say that a vaccine won't change many people's minds is not correct. It's like saying victory in a nasty war won't have any impact on voters.

I'm sorry, but a vaccine won't make Trump's inept leadership during the pandemic go away. We've seen what kind of leader he is when the country isn't on autopilot, and it's pretty frightening. God forbid we need leadership again and he's our president. That's why a vaccine's availability by November should change no one's mind. We need a real president in office.

[DaleCooper]

I don't think anyone other than Republicans trusts Trump. Take the stock market for example: it's skyrocketing but few actually care and it clearly isn't winning Trump any new supporters. People have, by and large, learned to see through his BS, at least when it comes directly from him.

I also get the feeling that the types of people that are willing to vote for Trump have moved on from caring about the pandemic, for the most part. Either that or they're in such an alternate reality that they might as well be talking about a completely different set of circumstances.

[Beet]

If a vaccine comes out before November it's probably game over for Biden.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. Why don't you just say that you are an obnoxious Trump supporter and get it over with?

It is not trolling to say one of the biggest October surprises in the history of October surprises could probably tilt the board heavily in Trump's favour.

Is it trolling to say that the public will want reassurance it is effective and not dangerous before they give Trump credit for it?

The vaccine has to be approved by the Data and Safety Monitoring Board, which consists of a non-partisan,non-government group of experts. There are no credible suppositions that a dangerous vaccine will be approved.

In fact, the odds that the vaccine will be dangerous are almost non-existent. Phase 1 and 2 test for safety, and the vaccines have already cleared those phases. The vaccines are also based on proven technology.

The question now is whether the vaccines are effective, not dangerous.

None of us can know whether there is political pressure behind the scenes.

The fact is that this president has shown he is not immune to putting political pressures on parts of the Federal bureaucracy that were previously believed to be above such things. He has been willing to make exaggerated claims of breakthroughs that were later discredited, such as his announcement over convalescent plasma.

It is also undeniable that he is facing tremendous incentives to get as much good news before election day as possible.

We are in uncharted territory because safe and effective vaccines previously took years to develop, particularly viral vaccines.

But the truth is, whether a vaccine is safe or effective, or whether corners were cut, can't really be known unless and until it is widely distributed. And that won't be known, most likely, until 2021. It costs nothing to make a positive announcement with exaggerated claims before election day, only for the public to find out after election day that the claims didn't hold up. It is quite reasonable to be skeptical.

[afleitch]

Civiqs today had only 26% of Republicans saying they would take any vaccine. Promoting it might not be popular amongst his base.

[7,052,770]

If a vaccine really is ready, safe, and distributable by November, kudos to the scientists. Why would I give Trump the credit?

[7,052,770]

Good job to the scientists. And this would ultimately cause a #Trumpslide.

If Biden had opposed it or obstructed it, sure. But otherwise it's no reason for someone already in the Biden camp to switch over.

If you're already a Biden supporter, you almost certainly believe that Biden would have done a better job managing the COVID crisis than Trump. And if a vaccine can really be ready by November, it's an easier problem than people thought and it would have happened under any president. So people who are supporting Biden already will [correctly] assume that a vaccine that happened to be developed while Trump was still president would have also been unavailable had Biden been president at the time.

So yes, Trump fans will scream from the rooftops how this proves Trump is so great, even though he really didn't have anything to do with it, while anti-Trump people aren't going to suddenly give him credit for it.

[Progressive Pessimist]

If a vaccine comes out before November it's probably game over for Biden.

Your trolling is getting tiresome. Why don't you just say that you are an obnoxious Trump supporter and get it over with?

It is not trolling to say one of the biggest October surprises in the history of October surprises could probably tilt the board heavily in Trump's favour.

A vaccine isn't going to change that many minds. The mismanagement of the pandemic won't go away with a vaccine and that mismanagement is what voters will be voting on.

Yeah seriously. Of all the unexpected circumstances that can happen in this election I really find the link between a vaccine and a Trump victory to be tenuous. It could also backfire on him if a vaccine gets approved, produced, and distributed but ends up being too premature for cynical reasons and causes more harm than good to those it was given to.

What does it say about our country though that so many of us have to be skeptical of whether a vaccine was approved and produced in good faith?

[DaleCooper]

If there was any true indication that there would be a vaccine available within two months then I suspect we'd have heard a lot about it by now. I suspect that a vaccine will be distributed in early 2021, at the earliest. Maybe some emergency workers will get a COVID vaccine as early as November, but that's it.

[ProudModerate2]

NIH says vaccine 'unlikely' by October.

After the CDC told states to prepare for coronavirus vaccines as soon as late October, the NIH director said it's not likely, but defended their preparation efforts.

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-09-02-20-intl/h_46243ac463c60a5aa51690ffb8137f02

[Roronoa D. Law]

It's Trump we're talking about. He going to make FDA and CDC say that they releasing a vaccine a week before the election but there will be no vaccine and nothing will be released. It's just a way to manipulate the media and their dumb ass will fall for it.

[It’s so Joever]

Every scientist out there says that the earliest a vaccine will be ready is spring 2021.
The CDC sadly has become a Trump mouthpiece, as evidenced with the plasma fiasco.

Well....”ready” may mean something different. Are you talking about general access to a vaccine?

[politics_king]

Who in the hell is going to take a vaccine that early? That's ridiculous, especially when the medical community is saying it's too soon. Also, Trump supporters are anti-vaxx to begin with unless the Orange God says so then I guess those idiots would take it.

[catographer]

Conservative people are already less likely to say they’ll take a vaccine when it comes. I doubt even a Trump-serum will convince them to take it. This is an awful thing...

[Eraserhead]

Doesn't most of the Trump base believe that vaccines are only used to make people more sick and/or kill them?

[SnowLabrador]

I suppose this is the October surprise.