If Trump wins via USPS meddling and SCOTUS interference, what happens in 2024?

[Cassandra]

Does Trump go for a third term? Does he install one of his kids as president? Do things go back to "normal" (and what does that look like...)?

[morgieb]

There won't be a 2024 election, then.

[brucejoel99]

Whatever happens, it won't include a free & fair election.

[HAnnA MArin County]

Since the "Country First" Republicans have basically ripped up and pissed all over the Constitution when it comes to holding Individual-1 accountable for his numerous crimes and dereliction of duties, what makes you think they will go against him if/when he "runs" for a third term? As a previous poster alluded, then there won't be an election in 2024 as our democracy will be gone.

The only other way to prevent this from happening (assuming the nightmare comes true and Putin's Puppet does somehow win) is if Democrats take control of the Senate and work with Speaker Nancy Pelosi in the House to impeach him once again since Democrats will have the votes in the Senate this time to finally hold him accountable and kick his treasonous orange behind out of office.

[brucejoel99]

Since the "Country First" Republicans have basically ripped up and pissed all over the Constitution when it comes to holding Individual-1 accountable for his numerous crimes and dereliction of duties, what makes you think they will go against him if/when he "runs" for a third term? As a previous poster alluded, then there won't be an election in 2024 as our democracy will be gone.

The only other way to prevent this from happening (assuming the nightmare comes true and Putin's Puppet does somehow win) is if Democrats take control of the Senate and work with Speaker Nancy Pelosi in the House to impeach him once again since Democrats will have the votes in the Senate this time to finally hold him accountable and kick his treasonous orange behind out of office.

Democrats taking control of the Senate & Democrats having the 67 votes necessary to remove Trump from office are 2 very different things.

[dw93]

The United States resembles Gilead from "A Handmaids Tale" by 2030.

[Ferguson97]

If the Supreme Court has allowed USPS meddling to happen, then that means that Roberts has rolled over and let Trump do whatever he wants.

RBG won't last another four years. Trump would eventually name her replacement.

There would be an "election" in 2024 but it would hardly be Democratic. A truly unprecedented number of polling precincts would be permanently shut down. Trump would deploy federal law enforcement to "observe" polling stations to intimidate minorities. Trump's stacked court makes mail-in ballots, early voting, and recounts harder. Voter ID laws are made a requirement.

Mike Pence or Trump Junior would be "elected" the 46th President.

The United States of America is dead. Democracy is dead. The end.

[It’s so Joever]

Let’s look at this interesting timeline and give some context

2020-2024: There will be riots in the streets immediately after Trump is declared president. Think BLM, but much worse. Expect armed battles to occur in the streets between ANTIFA (and by this point their name would be 100% accurate) and the fascists. Of course, the latter will eventually arrest most of these protestors. Expect Trump and the likely GOP senate to use this as a justification for a “secret police”. It will start off pretty tame. Democrats will still win local and special elections, but over time, a record number of precincts will shut down. 2022 will see the GOP win back the house.

By the second half of his term, expect increased secret police presence. People who post “potentially dangerous” things online will be arrested for “threatening the president/civil disobedience/etc”. The press will still run, although over time, some “radical” outlets will be coerced into removing all “dangerous rhetoric”. Protests and fighting will continue, giving Trump a justification to his MAGA base to do all this.

2024 was already mentioned, and it will probably be Don Jr taking the reigns. The opposition will lose by double digits.

2024-2028:
Don Jr will rule over a period of diminishing civil unrest (coercion and fear) and improved economic growth. He will continue to slowly trim away certain “threats to the union”, and will work with the GOP to allow for a very liberal use of slander laws against certain outlets. Millennials will finally gain a degree of financial security, and some good things will occur during this time (loan forgiveness may happen to appease people) However, a new generation will come into play. Expect China (and at that point, the EU) to infiltrate social media targeted towards the younger generation in an attempt to destabilize (China’s goal) and encourage the youth to rebel against fascism (the EU’s goal)

Don Jr and the Fascists (lets just be honest here) will be playing a game of whack a mole against an ever growing tech empire. Also, Gen Zers will still hate the regime, and will look like millennials did during the 2010s on a financial level.

Meanwhile, intimidation of minorities and increased policing of their neighborhoods will cause racial resentment.

The fascists will hold all the branches of the government, and most State governments as well (but not all) and 2028 will see the re-election of Don Jr by a 31% margin.

2028-2040: This is when the Trump grift ends.
One of five things will trigger riots
-An economic collapse from years of risky GOP fiscal policies
-A George Floyd (but worse) situation that triggers a race war
-Don Jr accidentally oversteps what is acceptable to the public
-A natural disaster (Covid level)
-A war (less likely, but possible)
It could also be a combination of the above.
These riots will turn into “The American Spring” or whatever sh**ty time of year it starts. They will escalate, and will involve a combination of Gen Zers, Minorities, a small percent of Gen Xers who remember and want true democracy, the new generation (Alpha?) and depending on their financial state, the millennials.
The escalation will look like the start of the Syrian civil war, attacks on protestors and rise of armed groups.
It will devolve into a civil war (with China likely fanning the flames)

If the rebels win....well it won’t be a reversion to pre-2016. At best, the country will be absolutely devastated and will get help from foreign powers and rebuild as a Democracy again. However, chances are that we will be an impoverished and extremely weak for decades to come. Maybe we will be divided, maybe we will reunite under a weak but functional government. It will not be the same, and life in America will be absolutely horrible.

If the fascists win....



So yes, we will have an election in 2024, but it will be about as Democratic as the elections in Russia, and you can expect the GOP to easily win Congress (both branches) and the presidency.

[chickentitilater]

If Trump wins in 2020, and the Democratic Party doesn't collapse electorally or trump doesn't declare himself dictator, then there will probably be a progressive nominee in 2024, since the Centrist wing lost two times in a row.

[longtimelurker]

So far, in this particular thread, no one has brought up secession.  I've considered this possibility (as have others in the press), and it does not end well.  Let's say the bluest states in the coastal contiguous areas (CA, WA, OR, possibly HI) and New England + NY, NJ, MD, DE in the northeast* begin to consider seceding.  I'm not talking about protestors in the street; I mean the "responsible" elected Democratic politicians. 

First of all, the rural areas of those states, which make up a large portion of the square mileage of these states (ME-02, upstate NY, MD eastern shore and panhandle, inland CA WA OR) would have nothing to do with it.  And, any attempt by adjoining "liberal" areas to join the secession (Clark County, NV, trying to join a CA secession; Philadelphia area trying to join a NJ secession, NOVA trying to join MD) would be violently put down.  And the secession as a whole would be violently put down by the local police, the National Guard (who would defy any secessionist governor; they wouldn't have to be nationalized by the POTUS), and various military units pledged loyal to the Federal government (although many would go AWOL).  Look, if LA, Seattle, Portland OR, San Francisco or Boston (but probably not NYC) would be bombed by the Federal government to end secession efforts, half of the rest of the country would laugh ("we nuked Seattle to own the libs!  Isn't that hysterical???").  Never mind that millions of their customers for the products the red states produce would be dead, or economically wrecked.

*DC would be heavily occupied by loyal Federal troops and Secret Service and under martial law at the very beginning of such talk.

So, regional secession is out of the question.  Should not even be considered or even tried.  Would be as futile an effort as the Molly Maguires. 

I watched the Sean Connery/Richard Harris movie "The Molly Maguires" last night so I guess that may have semi-consciously inspired me to write this post.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

It's very funny watching people pretend that violence in the US is coming from the right.

[Ferguson97]

It's very funny watching people pretend that violence in the US is coming from the right.

Domestic terrorism overwhelmingly comes from the far-right.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

It's very funny watching people pretend that violence in the US is coming from the right.

Domestic terrorism overwhelmingly comes from the far-right.

What do you call the past three months, then? Because if this isn't domestic terrorism, nothing is. 

[Sumner 1868]

A Drumpf reelection would be blamed on USPS even if every mail-in ballot is counted because he won't shut up about it. Upper-class liberals throw tantrums on twitter and talk about SILVA WAWER!!!!!!!!!11 and calls for unholy punishment against anyone who doesn't have a postgraduate degree. Basically not much different than November 2016.

Drumpf spends four years doing nothing but dodging lawsuits and playing golf. The DNC will spin their wheels over how once again a designated centrist lost an election by ramming up "woke" identity politics even more than they already have (hard too see how but they'll find a way). They care much more about stopping Sanders-style candidates than actually winning. But with two major strikes against postmodern Third Way, their usual shenanigan's may not be enough for them too shove another candidate from the right this time.

2024 comes along. A cult without a cult leader is a messy place, and Pence isn't the type who can fake any degree of populism like Drumpf, who has a good chance of dying in his second term given his poor health habits. I suspect even the worst Democrat would easily roll the floor with Pence.

[Ferguson97]

It's very funny watching people pretend that violence in the US is coming from the right.

Domestic terrorism overwhelmingly comes from the far-right.

What do you call the past three months, then? Because if this isn't domestic terrorism, nothing is. 

You mean the white 17-year-old who drove across state lines to kill protesters?

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

It's very funny watching people pretend that violence in the US is coming from the right.

Domestic terrorism overwhelmingly comes from the far-right.

What do you call the past three months, then? Because if this isn't domestic terrorism, nothing is. 

You mean the white 17-year-old who drove across state lines to kill protesters?

Kyle Rittenhouse worked in Kenosha, was legally carrying a legally acquired gun in a violent riot, was chased by a violent adult criminal who he tried to avoid, fired in clear cut self-defense, tried to render medical aid, was chased by multiple people who have expressed a willingness to kill him, and attempted to turn himself into police immediately after. Legally, he does not appear to have committed any crimes, and the smear attempt on him by a propagandistic media apparatus is shameful.

It is also very telling that after three months of rampant left wing violence, including burning people alive, that one conservative kills people attacking him and that's when violence becomes a problem.