Pro-life/anti-war voters

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I don't know who has been the most anti-abortion President but I cannot help thinking about Ulysses Grant signing the Comstock laws.

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What the hell does "pro-worker" mean?

Sshh don't ruin this communitarian nerdfest.


Anyway: probably it means someone who does not vote like Roberts did in Citizens United v. FEC or Janus v. AFSCME.

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What the hell does "pro-worker" mean?

Sshh don't ruin this communitarian nerdfest.


Anyway: probably it means someone who does not vote like Roberts did in Citizens United v. FEC or Janus v. AFSCME.

If they are being honest and not just trying to create liberal arguments for conservative policies, I’d agree with that.

There is, if course, Hugo Black. Ronald Reagan famously said he wanted 9 of them.

Hugo Black may be my favourite Supreme Court Justice to be honest.

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If I had to guess as to how such a voter would vote if they cared just about those 2 issues exactly equally:

1976: Carter
1980: Carter
1984: Mondale
1988: Dukakis
1992: Perot (Clinton also works)
1996: Dole (Perot also works)
2000: Bush
2004: Kerry
2008: Obama
2012: Obama
2016: Trump

Seems like a weird version of Fuzzy Bear's own voting record lol

They sound like what my father's preferences would be had he not a massive Reagan/Poppy crush for Cold War reasons (also my father could not have voted until the 1988 election).

Indeed my father could be called a "pro-life/anti-war voter" although in practice both things are mostly politically irrelevant in Italy, so that label really only applies to this kind of USA-related hypotheticals.

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How ironic is it that Trumpists are now effectively Rockefeller “Me Too Republicans” on economic issues sometimes?  Lol.

It's really not that ironic. One of the participants in this very conversation established a while ago that the group of voters Trump resonated most with in 2016 are low-SES social/cultural conservatives with mixed-to-progressive views on the economy.

Of course, Trump himself is (in my opinion) shamelessly taking these people for a ride and putting the donor caste first just like every other Republican President (and most Democratic Presidents) in modern times, but it's really not surprising that a conversation between Trumpy or Trump-curious Republicans today would include a bit more love for union workers than a conversation between Republican partisans ten or twenty years ago.

Well, as DC Al Fine sort of touched upon in that thread*, Trump's candidacy and presidency could be described as a continuous, shameless exploiting of "communitarians" for pure personal gain (and for the gain of the donor class, which by the way is the class to which Trump belongs to in my opinion).

*which I will acknowledge here as (in my still pretty short experience) possibly the most interesting thread I have seen on Atlas.

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How ironic is it that Trumpists are now effectively Rockefeller “Me Too Republicans” on economic issues sometimes?  Lol.

It's really not that ironic. One of the participants in this very conversation established a while ago that the group of voters Trump resonated most with in 2016 are low-SES social/cultural conservatives with mixed-to-progressive views on the economy.

Of course, Trump himself is (in my opinion) shamelessly taking these people for a ride and putting the donor caste first just like every other Republican President (and most Democratic Presidents) in modern times, but it's really not surprising that a conversation between Trumpy or Trump-curious Republicans today would include a bit more love for union workers than a conversation between Republican partisans ten or twenty years ago.

Well, as DC Al Fine sort of touched upon in that thread*, Trump's candidacy and presidency could be described as a continuous, shameless exploiting of "communitarians" for pure personal gain (and for the gain of the donor class, which by the way is the class to which Trump belongs to in my opinion).

*which I will acknowledge here as (in my still pretty short experience) possibly the most interesting thread I have seen on Atlas.

It would be shocking if Trump said some of what was being said above (and meant it). What's not shocking is Trumpists saying it.

Of course.

To go further, since that is the original topic of this thread, I am pretty sure that Trump himself is neither pro-life nor anti-war at heart (at least in so far as he is anything at heart) - even though many of his supporters are.

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How ironic is it that Trumpists are now effectively Rockefeller “Me Too Republicans” on economic issues sometimes?  Lol.

It's really not that ironic. One of the participants in this very conversation established a while ago that the group of voters Trump resonated most with in 2016 are low-SES social/cultural conservatives with mixed-to-progressive views on the economy.

Of course, Trump himself is (in my opinion) shamelessly taking these people for a ride and putting the donor caste first just like every other Republican President (and most Democratic Presidents) in modern times, but it's really not surprising that a conversation between Trumpy or Trump-curious Republicans today would include a bit more love for union workers than a conversation between Republican partisans ten or twenty years ago.

Well, as DC Al Fine sort of touched upon in that thread*, Trump's candidacy and presidency could be described as a continuous, shameless exploiting of "communitarians" for pure personal gain (and for the gain of the donor class, which by the way is the class to which Trump belongs to in my opinion).

*which I will acknowledge here as (in my still pretty short experience) possibly the most interesting thread I have seen on Atlas.

It would be shocking if Trump said some of what was being said above (and meant it). What's not shocking is Trumpists saying it.

Of course.

To go further, since that is the original topic of this thread, I am pretty sure that Trump himself is neither pro-life nor anti-war at heart (at least in so far as he is anything at heart) - even though many of his supporters are.

I actually think Trump is somewhat likelier to be sincerely anti-war than sincerely pro-life. He clearly has very little in the way of a "SUPPORT OUR TROOPS" instinct, and he seems to genuinely not understand the (perceived) point of most American military entanglements.

Yes, you are actually probably right. Trump if anything has a "Disdain Our Troops" instinct (more so if they died in combat).