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Conservative: HP
 
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Labour: FF
 
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Labour: HP
 
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Lib Dem: FF
 
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Lib Dem: HP
 
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Green: FF
 
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Green: HP
 
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SNP: FF
 
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SNP: HP
 
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« on: August 12, 2020, 02:26:04 PM »

Con, Lab, Lib Dem: HP
Green, SNP: FF
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2020, 02:32:40 PM »

Liberal Democrats: Massive FFs
Labour: Meh, was great under Blair, but moved too far left and is lukewarm on Brexit.
All others are HPs.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2020, 02:39:45 PM »

Liberal Democrats: Massive FFs
Labour: Meh, was great under Blair, but moved too far left and is lukewarm on Brexit.
All others are HPs.

The Lib Dems made reversing Brexit the cornerstone of their campaign and lost seats.
How was Labour great under Blair?
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2020, 02:43:55 PM »

All HPs right now. The Liberal Democrats are the most mediocre, but proved enough times that they're in the HP territory. The Greens aren't great on the antisemitism issue, and support dumb stuff like banning circumcision. I oppose seperatism, so I oppose the SNP too. The Tories are obvious, as a leftie.
Labour is the most interesting case- I think that they're moving in a very, very, very good direction under Keir Starmer. But still, the party was investigated for antisemitism and was one of the worst places for Jews in the UK until not a very long time ago. So still HP until they prove themselves.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2020, 03:02:43 PM »

Clown Car, as always.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2020, 03:08:32 PM »

Liberal Democrats: Massive FFs
Labour: Meh, was great under Blair, but moved too far left and is lukewarm on Brexit.
All others are HPs.

The Lib Dems made reversing Brexit the cornerstone of their campaign and lost seats.
How was Labour great under Blair?

Brexit was literally the dumbest thing Britain could have done. It deliberately sunk their economy (pre-pandemic), paralyzed London for years and all the promises on the Leave camp were a bunch of lies. Liberal Democrats ran on the right platform, regardless whether they won or lost seats.

Under Blair, Labor was a pragmatic center-left government that imposed a number of good reforms and that was pro-European Union, unlike under Corbyn, when they moved to the far left. Only Blair's support for the Iraq war was a mistake. I would have supported an been a member of Labor until around 2015, before switching to Liberal Democrats. They're the only moderate political force that supports the European Union at this point.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2020, 03:53:34 PM »

All HPs right now. The Liberal Democrats are the most mediocre, but proved enough times that they're in the HP territory. The Greens aren't great on the antisemitism issue, and support dumb stuff like banning circumcision. I oppose seperatism, so I oppose the SNP too. The Tories are obvious, as a leftie.
Labour is the most interesting case- I think that they're moving in a very, very, very good direction under Keir Starmer. But still, the party was investigated for antisemitism and was one of the worst places for Jews in the UK until not a very long time ago. So still HP until they prove themselves.

Justified criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitism.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2020, 03:58:53 PM »

Liberal Democrats: Massive FFs
Labour: Meh, was great under Blair, but moved too far left and is lukewarm on Brexit.
All others are HPs.

The Lib Dems made reversing Brexit the cornerstone of their campaign and lost seats.
How was Labour great under Blair?

Brexit was literally the dumbest thing Britain could have done. It deliberately sunk their economy (pre-pandemic), paralyzed London for years and all the promises on the Leave camp were a bunch of lies. Liberal Democrats ran on the right platform, regardless whether they won or lost seats.

Under Blair, Labor was a pragmatic center-left government that imposed a number of good reforms and that was pro-European Union, unlike under Corbyn, when they moved to the far left. Only Blair's support for the Iraq war was a mistake. I would have supported an been a member of Labor until around 2015, before switching to Liberal Democrats. They're the only moderate political force that supports the European Union at this point.

The Iraq War was a pretty big oopsie for Blair. And, the reason Corbyn (who was railroaded) was able to gain traction was because Blue Labour's capitulation to the free market had predictably led to a bust and Gordon Brown's epic loss in 2010. Keir Starmer is cut from the same cloth.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2020, 04:18:55 PM »

All HPs right now. The Liberal Democrats are the most mediocre, but proved enough times that they're in the HP territory. The Greens aren't great on the antisemitism issue, and support dumb stuff like banning circumcision. I oppose seperatism, so I oppose the SNP too. The Tories are obvious, as a leftie.
Labour is the most interesting case- I think that they're moving in a very, very, very good direction under Keir Starmer. But still, the party was investigated for antisemitism and was one of the worst places for Jews in the UK until not a very long time ago. So still HP until they prove themselves.

Justified criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitism.

Do you know how many times I've been over this with leftists? Labour's leadership was extremely lenient to blatant and disgusting antisemitism (not even masked as Israel criticism in some of the lower parts), and the leader himself engaged with antisemitic tropes many times, too many to forgive. Full stop, not gonna argue with you about it too.

Starmer is doing great to redeem his party.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2020, 04:40:22 PM »

All HP. Used to like the Conservative Party and had significant sympathy for the Lib Dems, but the incompetence and the fundamentally irresponsible behavior that's been so prominent lately (among other things) is just too much to overlook. The less said about SNP, the Greens and Labour the better, though I confess respecting what Starmer is trying to do.

Plus I still can't take Boris Johnson seriously, a feeling that the pandemic has only amplified more than I thought was possible.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2020, 04:40:56 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2020, 04:42:05 PM »

Conservative: HP
Labour: HP under Corbyn, lean FF under Starmer
Lib Dems: FF
Greens: Meh (voted FF because I had to vote for something)
SNP: lean HP
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2020, 04:46:45 PM »

Tory: Massive HP
Labour: HP under Corbyn, FF under Starmer
Lib Dem: Big FF
Green: Lean FF
SNP: Meh. Not a supporter of Scottish Independence and dislike some of their shenanigans, but provide a strong anti-Tory and pro-EU voice in the House of Commons.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2020, 05:06:46 PM »

Tory: Obvious HP
Labour: Obvious FF
Lib Dem: FF. Not perfect but still very good
Green: Meh. While I am environmentalist for some reason I am not a fan of dedicated green parties
SNP: Separatism in a 1st world democratic country = HP (ironically I do think Plaid is FF but only because Welsh independence is not going to happen)
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2020, 08:41:31 PM »

Conservative: Massive HP
Labour: FF
Lib Dem: Lean HP (though their sheer incompetence is kind of hilarious)
Greens: FF I think (definitely much better than their Yank cousins!)
SNP: Lean HP (but a necessary evil or sorts)
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2020, 08:51:22 PM »

SDP: Major FF

Labour: Lean FF. Starmer is am improvement over Corbyn, but the party would be way better if Lisa Nandy had won. At the end of the day, my political orientation is pretty similar to Blue Labour though so if they were ascendant I'd be more of a fan.

Tory: Some are HP but there are also some good members in the One-Nation and Red Tory tradition who I like. Nick Timothy and Phillip Blond both make some great points. And BoJo isn't as bad as I thought he would turn out.

LibDems: Just kinda sad more than anything. Tim Farron is a massive FF though.

Plaid Cymru, SNP: Neutral leaning HP

Greens: HP

Brexit Party, UKIP: Major HP
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2020, 09:30:58 PM »

All HPs right now. The Liberal Democrats are the most mediocre, but proved enough times that they're in the HP territory. The Greens aren't great on the antisemitism issue, and support dumb stuff like banning circumcision. I oppose seperatism, so I oppose the SNP too. The Tories are obvious, as a leftie.
Labour is the most interesting case- I think that they're moving in a very, very, very good direction under Keir Starmer. But still, the party was investigated for antisemitism and was one of the worst places for Jews in the UK until not a very long time ago. So still HP until they prove themselves.

Justified criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitism.

Do you know how many times I've been over this with leftists? Labour's leadership was extremely lenient to blatant and disgusting antisemitism (not even masked as Israel criticism in some of the lower parts), and the leader himself engaged with antisemitic tropes many times, too many to forgive. Full stop, not gonna argue with you about it too.

Starmer is doing great to redeem his party.

Starmer is a joke.

False Anti-Semitic accusations have become the right-wing's favorite tool to deflect any criticism of Israel while bringing down people they see as dangerous to their economic interests. Shame you're disseminating the memes here, but unsurprising. And I'll keep informing people about the real story behind the falsehoods as long as I keep seeing them posted.
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2020, 01:27:06 AM »

Labour's the only one of these I really have a positive view on. Greens and SNP are pretty neutral I guess. Lib Dems aren't great and the Tories suck.

If we're counting the other parties Plaid Cymru seems cool. Sinn Fein too of course. Besides the SDLP which is fine, the rest of the Irish parties suck (especially DUP).

Brexit's a joke and UKIP's even more of one.
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2020, 01:31:16 AM »

Only doing from 2015 to present

Conservative: pre-2019: Lean FF, post-2019: Massive HP
Labour: pre-March 2020: Lean HP, post-March 2020: Massive FF
Lib Dem: Massive FF
Green and SNP: HP
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2020, 01:37:47 AM »

Tories: Massive FF(my fav party in the world right now)
Labour: Massive HP(Other than Blair this party has always been terrible)
Lib Dem: HP(Hillarious Party)
SNP: Massive HP(I am opposed to Scottish Independence)
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2020, 02:13:19 AM »

All are absolute trash, labour was decent pre-2018 and Brexit politics. Labour is the least worse out of a terrible bunch.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2020, 03:11:53 AM »

Pleasantly surprised to see Lib Dems as the only favorably viewed party. Voted FF for them and HP for the rest.
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2020, 04:11:07 AM »

Conservatives: An amusingly opportunistic joke. Check out their record over the past ten years and tell me if they aren't just dancing with the directions of the wind.

Labour: Best of a bad bunch perhaps, but also quite incompetent, particularly at PR.

Lib Dems: Loathsomely opportunistic. Their are various instances where they don't even fit the tedious "nice friendly centrist  Smile " schtick, but instead go down the right (or left) populist route.

Greens: Standard boring green party, perhaps a bit more left-wing than most.

SNP: Nationalists, and not as civic as they like to make out.

All in all, not impressive.
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2020, 05:12:11 AM »

Conservative: Just awful in every conceivable way. Stinks of basically every imaginable vice and it will only get worse.
Labour: A once proud and noble party destroyed by the forces of stupidity, incompetence and malice* that is now a pathetic vile joke, led less than six months ago by one of the most vile people in politics and with an utterly toxic internal culture that is an antithesis to any success the party may want in the future. Despite the change in leadership to an actual intelligent adult,  if there is an election win in its future, it will be entirely down to the stupidity of the Conservative party.
Lib Dems: Ineffectual, incompetent, naive and shockingly stupid but the party of which I am a member and the only one on this list I could support in anything but the most extreme circumstances.
Greens: Irrelevant
SNP: An utterly vile and loathsome nationalist grifter party about about as civic as it is left of centre - i.e neither. It's only redeeming feature as of now is the absence of Alex Salmond from its senior leadership.
Plaid: Irrelevant except in very rural parts of Wales where they get voted for because they speak Welsh. I have no strong opinions on it either way.

* I am not an unfair man - this stupidity, incompetence and malice goes back far before Corbyn, to at least the mid-2000s and probably well back to the 1970s
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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2020, 05:26:42 AM »

Concluſion: Atlas hates Albion politics.
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