Pros and cons of VP nominee Harris

[😥]

I have nothing against Kamala and I'm sure she will be a great Vice President. But after announcing that it was her, I have some fears that she might cost Democrats some WWC voters in the Midwest. I think that's the only downside. Post your pros and cons about Senator Kamala Harris as VP nominee.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Pros:
- makes the ticket possibly the most demographically-representative ticket in history
- her Senate seat is safe at pretty much all costs

Cons:
- extremely weak electoral history* which does not bode well for if she is the party's nominee in 2024 or 2028
- seen as "inevitable" which means boring, or forced down your throat to different people

*Before anyone else brings up "but it was 2010!" and "her opponent in 2010 was STRONG!", consider that every other Democrat on the 2010 ballot still won by double digits and she almost definitely loses if Meg Whitman doesn't implode in the last two weeks. She was underperformed Jerry Brown by 5% in 2014 when she ran against a nobody.

[Xing]

If I like her, there are no cons and she’s the best pick evah suck it haterz.

If I don’t like her, there are no pros and I’m not voting for Biden even if I hate Trump and Biden is doomed now.

[Stockdale for Veep]

Pros - Not Tim Kaine

[Sir Mohamed]

Trying to be objective, despite being a Harris hack.

Pros:

- Balances the ticket on gender, age, race and baxkground
- Brings experience to the table, reading to be prez if necessary
- Fearless and charismatic campaigner
- Does appeal to suburban voters and may help with AA turnout
- Strenght in fundraising
- Overall: A history making pick


Cons:

- CA doesn't add much to the map, the state is Titanium D
- Parts of her AG record are questionable (I admit)
- Does not appeal to parts of the progressive wing

I used to say sexism and racism as con, but let's be honest: There is almost no one not voting for Biden because she's a black woman. Those people wouldn't vote for Biden anyways, even if he picked Warren or Whitmer. Same is true in a universe where he selected Butti. Those not voting for a gay VP wouldn't vote for the Dem ticket either.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Pros:

- Does appeal to suburban voters and may help with AA turnout

Sincere question, what evidence do you have to back up either of those claims? All the evidence we have from her contested statewide elections as well as her 2020 run suggest neither is true.

[Hammy]

Pros - seems like she's exciting Latino voters, who Biden supposedly has a problem with (not dismissing the claims but I don't know enough to say either way), and is good at fundraising

Cons - bad history as a prosecutor, going too far on law and order (really bad thing right now), willing to take money from and do the bidding of the very person she's on the ticket to unseat

[Horatii]

Pros:
- makes the ticket possibly the most demographically-representative ticket in history

Except all of the all-white tickets when America was a white country.

[TrendsareUsuallyReal]

Pros:
- makes the ticket possibly the most demographically-representative ticket in history

Except all of the all-white tickets when America was a white country.

If you don't consider black people...people, sure. Or if you take away all women.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

She cements NC being AA and NC is key as well as KS with Barb Bollier, which are now the tipping point races, that's why PPP poll shows Biden+3 over Trump. It was a tipping pt state in 2008 when Obama solidified it over Biden and KS, in 2018 was the tipping pt race when Gov Kelly won

Not only that, Sebelius won KS in Recession yrs of 2000s. We talk alot about IA and OH, Ds didnt need them in 2018, with the blue wave either

TX is not gonna be a tipping pt race, in a 52/48 Senate map, Hegar loses.  Dems arent winning 60 seats

[Battista Minola 1616]

Pros:
- makes the ticket possibly the most demographically-representative ticket in history

Except all of the all-white tickets when America was a white country.

I'll beat thee, but I would infect my hands.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Pros:
* Will indubitably help the party turn out black voters. Representation is very important.
* Experienced in state and federal, exective and legislative government- running the criminal justice apparatus for a country with the same population as Poland/Iraq/Canada is pretty damn good
* Shores up Biden's other demographic weaknesses
* Strong fundraiser, has an undeniable pull with the female/black base of the party.

Cons:
* Poor for the health of the party - represents a return to Hillaryworld
* CJ record - especially in post-Floyd, her previous record was a step above Buttigieg's
* Poor campaign track record - failed harder than Beto did, and it'd be a disaster if 2024 turned into a coronation
* Wishy-washy stances - doesn't really appeal to progressives

[W]

We can like pretend the AG record is just a smear job but Trump's gonna be hammering home on it since its Harris' only executive experience and it will assuredly resonate.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's pretty obvious that Clyburn told Biden to select Harris due to the fact, his staffer, Harrison is running in SC, thats why Clyburn was coy about the Harris announcement before Biden selected her

[Hammy]

We can like pretend the AG record is just a smear job but Trump's gonna be hammering home on it since its Harris' only executive experience and it will assuredly resonate.

Trump's entire message on that is that she's too soft on crime and we need law and order etc etc. He's too incompetent to seize on an actual valid criticism because doing so would contradict his whole message.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

* Poor for the health of the party - represents a return to Hillaryworld

Weird take. She has massive ties to Obamaworld but her ties to the Clintons are pretty shaky.

[SWE]

Pros:
- makes the ticket possibly the most demographically-representative ticket in history

Except all of the all-white tickets when America was a white country.

When was this, nazi?

[ultraviolet]

Pros:
- makes the ticket possibly the most demographically-representative ticket in history

Except all of the all-white tickets when America was a white country.

Yeah Mondale/Ferraro was probably the most representative

[This user has not been convicted of 34 felonies]

Pros - Not Tim Kaine

Cons - Not Tim Kaine

[PeteB]

It was really the only logical choice Biden had.  Assuming he is satisfied with her loyalty and that they will work together well, it is likely a winning ticket.

Pros:
- Competent candidate for office (let's not forget that one, even in the era of Trump)
- Exciting, diverse and effective choice (for the non-politicos who have not been predicting this)
- Ensures continuity, if there is a need to step into POTUS position
- Minimizes the GOP narrative of Dems as a far-left party and possibly attracts non-committed and even some GOP voters
- Campaign tested and (as far as we know) a safe choice with no skeletons in the closet
- Will likely put states like NC and GA in play
- Does not cost Dems the Senate seat (as the replacement is likely a Dem)

Cons:
- May turn-off some of the anarchist/far-left voters (but Trump will ensure they don't go far)
- Does not "secure" her home state (CA is already secure)
- Could be a problem and a major distraction to the campaign, if she does not blend well with Biden and his team (this one is probably the major one)

[Fight for Trump]

Pros:
- makes the ticket possibly the most demographically-representative ticket in history

lol, no, it doesn't work that way.

The most demographically representative ticket would've been Biden/Warren.

[Senator Spark]

Pros:

Helps with minority turnout  
Served as AG of a large state (CA)
Good fundraiser

Cons:
Failed presidential campaign
Hardline criminal justice record - mass incarceration, death penalty
Can cost Biden votes in Midwest
Does not add geographic advantage

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Pros -

* Energetic and charismatic.
* Can help cushion the fallout from Biden's gaffes.
* Difficult to attack.
* Can appeal to suburban and latino voters.  
* Powerful fundraiser.

Cons -

* Parts of her record as a prosecutor are questionable (However, this could be difficult for Trump to highlight as he's trying to frame himself as the tough-on-crime president).
* Can be painted as an out-of-touch coastal elite from San Francisco.
* Doesn't appeal much to the Bernie Sanders wing.
* Doesn't provide a geographical advantage being from California.

[SingingAnalyst]

I literally made an entire thread about a “con”, so in the spirit of unity I’ll post a couple of “pros”:

1. As a relatively young woman of color, she will excite Blacks, women,and young people about voting for the ticket.

2. As another thread pointed out, she is very hard to attack directly. The GOP can’t seem to make up its mind whether she is a leftist or a snub to leftists.

As for her “Catholic problem”: she might hurt the ticket in Center Line, Michigan (a mostly Catholic 8,000-person enclave surrounded by Warren in Macomb County which voted for Clinton 53-41 in 2016). But with her strength, intelligence, and charisma, she will probably help the ticket in vote-rich Oakland County, MI and Maricopa County, AZ. Electorally speaking, the pros outweigh the cons, and I am not at all surprised Biden picked her.

[The Dowager Mod]

  Beautiful flawless Kamala  has no down side silly people.