SENATE DEBATE: Ecologic Transition Act (Passed)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ecologic Transition Act

To encourage the transition of the Atlasian economy towards a decarbonized future by discouraging the use of fossil fuels

1. After the passage of this bill, the government of the Republic of Atlasia may not issue any new authorizations for the exploration to find any new deposits of fossil fuels (including oil, natural gas and coal), nor for the explotation of any new deposits that are not being currently exploited. This includes those extractions that would be performed through hydraulic fracture (fracking). This shall also apply in the territorial waters and exclusive economic zone of the Republic of Atlasia.
2. After the passage of this bill, the federal government of the Republic of Atlasia may not subsidize the extraction, usage or sale of any hydrocarbon based fuels, nor of coal. All currently existing federal subsidies on hydrocarbon fuels and coal shall be phased out.
3. After the year 2035, all federally owned vehicles used for the transportation of government officials shall be electric vehicles, or otherwise vehicles not based off fossil fuels.
4. 2 years after the passage of this bill, all suppliers of fossil fuels that, combining all their gas stations, have a supplied volume of at least 5 million litres of petrol and diesel combined; shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC
5. 1 year after the passage of this bill, all newly built gas stations in the Republic of Atlasia shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC

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Sponsor: Tack50
Senate Desigination: SB25:12

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Initial Debate Period - Sponsor Advocacy

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Section 1 leans much to heavily in the make it so expensive that people bleed out of their eyes approach for my tastes.

The people with older cars, and the last ones who will get electric cars are poor working class people like myself. I cannot afford car payments, don't have the money to buy a new car outright and electric and hybrid cars are a lot harder and more expensive to fix when they get old therefore it is dangerous to buy them used. This means that there is going to be a tremendous gradient of adoption that favors the wealthy at the expense of the poor in this regards.

There are also manufacturing processes that use these resources and this will price them out of existence and cause us to import from far dirtier production sources.

Really is a counterproductive approach.

I have long been suspicious that a good part of green strategy that relies on boosting the price of fossil fuels is basically a round about way to turn tech tycoons into the next oil sheiks, rather than lowering the price of the environmentally friendly stuff, just jack up the price of oil and gas.

We should be doing the opposite and we must recognize that banning production of fossil fuels here increases the global price substantially, creating a windfall for the likes of Russia, Saudi Arabia and Iran and typically speaking whenever they get lots of oil money, they like to start killing people with it.

We are never going to completely eliminate these resources, what we should be doing is making the alternatives, the electric cars and such forth cheaper so that they can out compete the gasoline ones. That will reduce demand responsibly and actually put a dent in the profits of the OPEC countries, Russia etc by not artificially and prematurely crimping the supply.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Ecologic Transition Act

To encourage the transition of the Atlasian economy towards a decarbonized future by discouraging the use of fossil fuels

1. After the passage of this bill, the government of the Republic of Atlasia may not issue any new authorizations for the exploration to find any new deposits of fossil fuels (including oil, natural gas and coal), nor for the explotation of any new deposits that are not being currently exploited. This includes those extractions that would be performed through hydraulic fracture (fracking). This shall also apply in the territorial waters and exclusive economic zone of the Republic of Atlasia.
2 1. After the passage of this bill, the federal government of the Republic of Atlasia may not subsidize the extraction, usage or sale of any hydrocarbon based fuels, nor of coal. All currently existing federal subsidies on hydrocarbon fuels and coal shall be phased out.
3 2. After the year 2035, all federally owned vehicles used for the transportation of government officials shall be electric vehicles, or otherwise vehicles not based off fossil fuels.
4 3. 2 years after the passage of this bill, all suppliers of fossil fuels that, combining all their gas stations, have a supplied volume of at least 5 million litres of petrol and diesel combined; shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC
5 4. 1 year after the passage of this bill, all newly built gas stations in the Republic of Atlasia shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I'd support the amendment if there is a further amendment to the new Section 4 that accounts for population in the surrounding area the gas station serves or at least postpones it to a later date. In a gas station in a small rural area, an electric charging station being required wouldn't be used much if at all and would be an unnecessary expense, especially for non-franchise privately owned ones.

I have a similar concerns but I preferred to address one situation at a time.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment is adopted.

The leaves the concern held by Jimmy and I about rural gas stations. Do you want to offer an amendment on that Jimmy?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Yes I will have one up soon.

Been four days, how soon are we talking here?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Honestly not sure what to say here lol

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Honestly not sure what to say here lol

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When someone fails to give feedback, the default is to treat it as hostile.

A vote is now open on the amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment S25:20 by Jimmy:

Aye (3): Jimmy, LT and NC Yankee
Nay (1): Ted
Abstain (1): Tack50

Didn't Vote (1): Devout Centrist

This amendment has passed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What is next here?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Tbh I am starting to have 2nd thoughts and might just nuke the bill to only point 1, making it a much simpler affair.

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Oh for the love of crap! I am beginning to think you are doing this on purpose.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When someone fails to give feedback, the default is to treat it as hostile.

A vote is now open on the amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am actually not against the federal gov't deciding what vehicles it will use, provided of course that the costs are taken into consideration in some way.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment S26:01 by LT:

Aye (2): Jimmy and LT
Nay (2): Devout Centrist and Tack50
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): NC Yankee and TedBessell

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Previous amendment is adopted with the tie breaking vote.

No subsidies for Fossil Fuels Act

To encourage the transition of the Atlasian economy towards a decarbonized future by discouraging the use of fossil fuels[/s]

Be it resolved in both houses of congress assembled,

1. After the passage of this bill, the federal government of the Republic of Atlasia may not subsidize the extraction, usage or sale of any hydrocarbon based fuels, nor of coal. All currently existing federal subsidies on hydrocarbon fuels and coal shall be phased out.

2. 3 years after the passage of this bill, all suppliers of fossil fuels that, combining all their gas stations, have a supplied volume of at least 5 million litres of petrol and diesel combined; shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC in all of their gas station locations, except for gas stations located in any location that meets any of the following —
    Census County Subdivisions with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Designated Places with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Tracts with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents.

4. 1 year after the passage of this bill, all newly built gas stations in the Republic of Atlasia shall have an electric charging station able to supply at least 50 kW of power DC, except for newly built gas stations located in any location that meets any of the following —
    Census County Subdivisions with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Designated Places with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents;
    Census Tracts with a population density of under 250 people per square mile or a population of under 1000 residents.

People's Regional Senate
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Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Problem solved!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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What happened with formatting? Seemed good to me?

Compare your amendment as offered, to the OP text. That is the problem.

Also I just have been itching to drop a dated Adventure Time reference for weeks and after the whole computer error code meme, this thread was the perfect opportunity.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment is adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So final vote time?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A final vote is now open on this legislation, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.