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« Reply #900 on: November 10, 2020, 04:58:47 PM »



No clue what to make of this

I reckon a few of these vote counting clerks would submit to a bit of torture, right up her street
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« Reply #901 on: November 10, 2020, 05:34:11 PM »

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« Reply #902 on: November 10, 2020, 05:41:39 PM »

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« Reply #903 on: November 10, 2020, 06:35:46 PM »



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« Reply #904 on: November 10, 2020, 06:39:04 PM »



Good article.
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« Reply #905 on: November 10, 2020, 07:03:47 PM »

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« Reply #906 on: November 10, 2020, 07:43:31 PM »

Pat Toomey is starting to break from the nonsense:

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« Reply #907 on: November 10, 2020, 07:46:12 PM »

Pat Toomey is starting to break from the nonsense:

He's retiring in 2022, that's why
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« Reply #908 on: November 10, 2020, 07:47:45 PM »

Pat Toomey is starting to break from the nonsense:



Again, he has the luxury to say this since he is retiring and won't have to face any consequences for it from the GOP's rabid base.

Still though, it's good to hear. What does it say that Pat f***ing Toomey is a voice of reason within this despicable political party?
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« Reply #909 on: November 10, 2020, 07:58:29 PM »



I hate these symbolic "quit in protest" moves because it just leaves an opening for lackeys and yes-men to fill their place.

Who likely have less experience and so will be even harder for them to win in court.

Remember: anything the DOJ alleges here they will have to prove in court for them to do anything about it.
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« Reply #910 on: November 10, 2020, 08:48:25 PM »

So for all that nonsense from conservatives about "suppression polls", the opposite seems to be true

Read the whole thread if you want to become very angry

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« Reply #911 on: November 10, 2020, 10:19:17 PM »

Consider the source but I think the Trump legal team is like 0-12 in election-related lawsuits so far.

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« Reply #912 on: November 11, 2020, 12:09:23 AM »

These lawsuits are completely pointless. They're just trying to protract the process so they can say "look how many lawsuits we filed!" and create fake doubt. Filing a lawsuit and then asking for it to be dismissed a few days later after it received some news coverage is as frivolous as it gets. Everyone should stop pretending the election result is "disputed" in any serious way.
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« Reply #913 on: November 11, 2020, 03:44:51 AM »
« Edited: November 11, 2020, 04:25:38 AM by John JJ »

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These lawsuits are completely pointless. They're just trying to protract the process so they can say "look how many lawsuits we filed!" and create fake doubt. Filing a lawsuit and then asking for it to be dismissed a few days later after it received some news coverage is as frivolous as it gets. Everyone should stop pretending the election result is "disputed" in any serious way.
His strategy is not to win lawsuits, but to convince people that there is a giant election fraud going on.
Republicans don't need to win any court case, as long as the sea of fake news websites/channels continue flooding americans with this conspiracy theory.

- Monday Donald Trump announced on Twitter that he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper

- Yesterday controversial retired Brig. Gen. Anthony Tata has been moved into the Pentagon's top policy role, taking over the duties of James Anderson, who resigned the same day.
Tata is a Trump loyalist who has trafficked in “deep state” conspiracy theories.

- Former administration officials with knowledge of the situation said they expect in the coming days D.Trump to remove CIA Director Gina Haspel from her post
and also mentioned some uncertainty about FBI Director Christopher Wray's future...

All this looks like nothing else but a last minute purge of US security top officials (Defense, pentagon, CIA) right after losing the elections.

All this happening along with :
- a massive communication effort trying to convince americans of a giant fraud.
(phone sms, emails, social networks, conservative TV/medias)
- a majority of republican officials backing Trump in his refusal to concede, Mike Pompeo who even went as far as saying "there would be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration”
- the fact than Federal agencies, have been warned not to cooperate with the transition team of the projected president-elect.
- the omnipresence of right-wing armed groups and right-wing militias everywhere in the country

All this looks worrisome, like a coup attempt in the making, nothing less.
(I'm not not saying it will succeed)
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« Reply #914 on: November 11, 2020, 06:22:02 AM »

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‘It’s all noise’: The reality behind Trump’s legal fight

The court fight over election results, which has yielded few results, is as much about pleasing the base as it is about making coherent legal arguments.

Before the election, Republicans bragged about an army of lawyers from three major firms lined up to quickly challenge election results in the presidential election.

But now that the big moment has arrived, that army — and those major firms — have not been too visible.

Behind the scenes, much of the legal work has been handled by small conservative firms. And publicly, President Donald Trump has relied on his staunchest political allies — some of whom aren’t even lawyers — to explain why states should toss out ballots or invalidate the results altogether.

There’s a reason for that.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/10/trump-legal-strategy-election-435853
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« Reply #915 on: November 11, 2020, 07:18:09 AM »



I hate these symbolic "quit in protest" moves because it just leaves an opening for lackeys and yes-men to fill their place.

One of my smarter friends gave me the advice: Never quit in protest, just do what's right and dare them to fire you for it.
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« Reply #916 on: November 11, 2020, 08:20:30 AM »

 <<Pentagon finally confirms near total decapitation of civilian leadership in the last 24 hours. Secretary of Defense Esper fired Monday, the top Pentagon Policy official, top Defense Department intelligence official, and chief of staff to the Defense Secretary all out today>>
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« Reply #917 on: November 11, 2020, 09:04:19 AM »

There's certainly no good-faith from the Trump camp. They're just trying to invalidate results that aren't pro-Trump, by whatever means they can.

GOP-led states back Trump’s legal drive to challenge election
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Later Monday, the Trump campaign broadened its legal assault on the electoral results in Pennsylvania by filing a new federal lawsuit challenging the state’s procedures for mail-in voting, as well as what the campaign calls illegal and unfair treatment of its poll watchers. The suit seeks to block Pennsylvania officials from certifying the outcome of the election until mail-in and absentee votes are verified through some unspecified process.

That's not a request to have PA "do the right thing". It's an attempt to stop PA from having its electoral votes counted by Congress.
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« Reply #918 on: November 11, 2020, 10:21:17 AM »

So what is the status with these poll workers coming forward with allegations of fraud?
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« Reply #919 on: November 11, 2020, 10:51:41 AM »

Quote from: HisGrace
These lawsuits are completely pointless. They're just trying to protract the process so they can say "look how many lawsuits we filed!" and create fake doubt. Filing a lawsuit and then asking for it to be dismissed a few days later after it received some news coverage is as frivolous as it gets. Everyone should stop pretending the election result is "disputed" in any serious way.
His strategy is not to win lawsuits, but to convince people that there is a giant election fraud going on.
Republicans don't need to win any court case, as long as the sea of fake news websites/channels continue flooding americans with this conspiracy theory.

- Monday Donald Trump announced on Twitter that he has fired Secretary of Defense Mark Esper

- Yesterday controversial retired Brig. Gen. Anthony Tata has been moved into the Pentagon's top policy role, taking over the duties of James Anderson, who resigned the same day.
Tata is a Trump loyalist who has trafficked in “deep state” conspiracy theories.

- Former administration officials with knowledge of the situation said they expect in the coming days D.Trump to remove CIA Director Gina Haspel from her post
and also mentioned some uncertainty about FBI Director Christopher Wray's future...

All this looks like nothing else but a last minute purge of US security top officials (Defense, pentagon, CIA) right after losing the elections.

All this happening along with :
- a massive communication effort trying to convince americans of a giant fraud.
(phone sms, emails, social networks, conservative TV/medias)
- a majority of republican officials backing Trump in his refusal to concede, Mike Pompeo who even went as far as saying "there would be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration”
- the fact than Federal agencies, have been warned not to cooperate with the transition team of the projected president-elect.
- the omnipresence of right-wing armed groups and right-wing militias everywhere in the country

All this looks worrisome, like a coup attempt in the making, nothing less.
(I'm not not saying it will succeed)

Not the least bit worried. Most of these people would have been out of a job in about two months when Biden comes in anyway, and the Schmucks replacing will only be in for that time frame. Why I'll never underestimate the Trump administration's ability to commit evil and / or incompetence even in such a short time, this is the dying gasp of the vindictiveness and dumpster fire level mismanagement we've come to expect from Trump's Administration.
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« Reply #920 on: November 11, 2020, 11:59:57 AM »



Is every last elected Republican just pure evil?
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« Reply #921 on: November 11, 2020, 12:26:18 PM »

They are 100 percent moving forward with separate slates. Their end goal is a civil war.
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« Reply #922 on: November 11, 2020, 12:29:53 PM »

Is every last elected Republican just pure evil?
Well, yes. Yes they are. Or at least 95% of them anyway.
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« Reply #923 on: November 11, 2020, 12:34:50 PM »

Yes, the Wisconsin legislator is a nutcase, but he's probably an isolated outlier.  Did anyone read the whole article?

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"They would effectively be nullifying the votes of the 3 million plus Wisconsinites," UW-Madison Law Professor Rob Yablon said.

He added that is not allowed under current Wisconsin law and can't see the Legislature trying to change it.

"The electors that were chosen on Election Day are legally bound to vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in Wisconsin," Yablon said. "And if the Legislature attempted to appoint its own substitute slate of electors, it's hard to see how that would be legitimate."

The Wisconsin Elections Commission agreed.

"In Wisconsin, the state Legislature plays no role in certifying or deciding which slate of electors vote in the Electoral College," the commission said in a statement to WISN 12 News.
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« Reply #924 on: November 11, 2020, 12:40:47 PM »

Yes, the Wisconsin legislator is a nutcase, but he's probably an isolated outlier.  Did anyone read the whole article?

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"They would effectively be nullifying the votes of the 3 million plus Wisconsinites," UW-Madison Law Professor Rob Yablon said.

He added that is not allowed under current Wisconsin law and can't see the Legislature trying to change it.

"The electors that were chosen on Election Day are legally bound to vote for the candidate that won the popular vote in Wisconsin," Yablon said. "And if the Legislature attempted to appoint its own substitute slate of electors, it's hard to see how that would be legitimate."

The Wisconsin Elections Commission agreed.

"In Wisconsin, the state Legislature plays no role in certifying or deciding which slate of electors vote in the Electoral College," the commission said in a statement to WISN 12 News.


Vos is a POS, but he didn't a pretty extensive interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentential and while he was talking about looking at the results to make sure nothing nefarious happened, he sounded like he believed the results in Wisconsin were accurate.   
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