Voter suppresion/"stealing the election" megathread

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/KailiJoy/status/1324195143818293248

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

This is fine.jpeg

https://twitter.com/DavidCornDC/status/1324415365439463424

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/JayCaruso/status/1324440241642622978

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

https://twitter.com/A_W_Gordon/status/1324014586018844679?s=20

But there is, in fact, a good reason for hundreds of thousands of ballots not being scanned for delivery. As the USPS repeatedly stated in its daily filings with the court on delivery statistics, "Defendants maintain that the data possesses little to no analytical value and should not be considered a reliable indicator of performance." Indeed, the USPS has been intentionally making its performance look worse than it is by removing ballots from the normal sorting and delivery process to deliver ballots faster.

What this means is the stats might look worse than they actually are, because in some cases postal workers have, for example, been manually postmarking the ballots and then passing them off for local same-or-next-day delivery, resulting in the ballots never being scanned into the system in the first place. Other measures, like sending ballots to the sorting facility but then removing them from the mail stream after they've been scanned and postmarked, means they are manually bypassing the rest of the process for expedited delivery and are thus scanned in and never scanned out.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dppad/why-the-post-offices-last-minute-ballot-crisis-isnt-as-dire-as-it-seems

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

very long thread here responding to various claims about fraud and cheating.  some of it I'm not sure I'm totally convinced by, but worth a look if you are worried about this.

https://twitter.com/Ike_Saul/status/1324435966325592065?s=20

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I just heard that someone who was working for the people who count voted several dozen times for the same candidate. Is that true? There's an FB video going around about it.

[GeneralMacArthur]

I just heard that someone who was working for the people who count voted several dozen times for the same candidate. Is that true? There's an FB video going around about it.

Send it to Isaac Saul.  Will probably take about ten minutes to find out why it's stupid.

BTW I personally voted 1,800 times for Biden in Georgia.  I've been playing the long con over the last few years, dumpster diving outside nursing homes for social security numbers and signatures, and then requested absentee ballots under those identities be sent to PO boxes.  I filled them all out for Biden.

Since you read this on social media (talk elections dot org), it is therefore true, or if not true, at least worth asking about since it hasn't been proven false.  Has the Biden campaign commented on this?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I just heard that someone who was working for the people who count voted several dozen times for the same candidate. Is that true? There's an FB video going around about it.

A good rule of thumb is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. A facebook video proves nothing (and is a very likely path for disinformation). I would consider such a claim to be false.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

I just heard that someone who was working for the people who count voted several dozen times for the same candidate. Is that true? There's an FB video going around about it.

Send it to Isaac Saul.  Will probably take about ten minutes to find out why it's stupid.

BTW I personally voted 1,800 times for Biden in Georgia.  I've been playing the long con over the last few years, dumpster diving outside nursing homes for social security numbers and signatures, and then requested absentee ballots under those identities be sent to PO boxes.  I filled them all out for Biden.

Since you read this on social media (talk elections dot org), it is therefore true, or if not true, at least worth asking about since it hasn't been proven false.  Has the Biden campaign commented on this?

I'll get the video sometime tonight. But there is a video making the rounds of someone spending at least 30 minutes filling out the ballots alone.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

How did Nevada go from having 100,001 votes left to 140,001 votes in a couple of hours?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

I just heard that someone who was working for the people who count voted several dozen times for the same candidate. Is that true? There's an FB video going around about it.

Send it to Isaac Saul.  Will probably take about ten minutes to find out why it's stupid.

BTW I personally voted 1,800 times for Biden in Georgia.  I've been playing the long con over the last few years, dumpster diving outside nursing homes for social security numbers and signatures, and then requested absentee ballots under those identities be sent to PO boxes.  I filled them all out for Biden.

Since you read this on social media (talk elections dot org), it is therefore true, or if not true, at least worth asking about since it hasn't been proven false.  Has the Biden campaign commented on this?

I'll get the video sometime tonight. But there is a video making the rounds of someone spending at least 30 minutes filling out the ballots alone.

Unless there's a chain of evidence/witnesses, video alone is worthless these days. Deep fakes have gotten too damn good.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1324840775990026240

[Ferguson97]

Idiot

https://twitter.com/mediaite/status/1324953722401804288?s=21

[Smeulders]

I just heard that someone who was working for the people who count voted several dozen times for the same candidate. Is that true? There's an FB video going around about it.

Send it to Isaac Saul.  Will probably take about ten minutes to find out why it's stupid.

BTW I personally voted 1,800 times for Biden in Georgia.  I've been playing the long con over the last few years, dumpster diving outside nursing homes for social security numbers and signatures, and then requested absentee ballots under those identities be sent to PO boxes.  I filled them all out for Biden.

Since you read this on social media (talk elections dot org), it is therefore true, or if not true, at least worth asking about since it hasn't been proven false.  Has the Biden campaign commented on this?

I'll get the video sometime tonight. But there is a video making the rounds of someone spending at least 30 minutes filling out the ballots alone.

That is one that Isaac Saul already covered, or at least the same situation. If there is anything on the ballot (damage, markings) that prevents machine scanning of the ballot, they get copied. The copy is scanned, the original and copy are then attached together, so it can be checked that the copying was done accurately. What you have seen is video of this copying process.

 The alternative of course, is that the people who came up with the diabolical masterplan to steal the election just forgot the simple step of not committing fraud right in front of cameras.

[(no subject)]

Trump:[on phone to military] The Democrats are stealing the election! You must advance on our enemies at once!

CJCS Edmund Blackadder: Well, as far as I can tell, the message was, the dogbreaths are swelling an erection, so there’s an advantage to an enema at once.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Reminder: Donald Trump's recount legal team are a mix of registered and unregistered foreign agents. One of them, Pam Bondi, is explicitly a paid agent of a nation (Russia) that is openly cheering for chaos and bloodshed in the United States.

https://twitter.com/MotherJones/status/1324928491746422784
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1324037306043551745

Donald Trump came into office collaborating with Russia against the interests of the United States, and apparently he'll be leaving it the same way.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Arizona Secretary of State:

https://twitter.com/katiehobbs/status/1325089479091056640

[pbrower2a]

Wouldn't you know... a pair of armed men from Virginia were just busted in a Hummer with a load of forged ballots for Pennsylvania.   



(CNN)Two armed Virginia men who were arrested Thursday outside the Philadelphia Convention Center may have believed fake ballots were being counted there, Philadelphia District Attorney's Office spokeswoman Jane Roh told CNN.

"According to our information at this very early stage of investigation, it appears these individuals were operating under the belief that 'fake ballots' are being counted at the Convention Center -- a completely unsupported claim -- and that belief may have been what drew their attention to Philadelphia." Roh told CNN in an emailed statement.

CNN affiliate KYW had earlier reported that the men were "coming to deliver a truck full of fake ballots" to the city, citing prosecutors.

The center is one of the places where election workers have been counting votes from the 2020 general election, which includes the race for president.

Text messages reveal that the men were concerned about the tallying of votes at the convention center, prosecutors said, according to KYW.
Antonio LaMotta, 61, and Joshua Macias, 42, both of Chesapeake, Virginia, were arrested Thursday night outside the center on suspicion of carrying handguns in Pennsylvania without permits, authorities said.
Philadelphia police said they found the men Thursday night after receiving a tip that people with firearms were heading to the Pennsylvania Convention Center in a silver Hummer truck.
Officers found a silver Hummer a block from the center -- parked and unoccupied -- around 10:20 p.m. Thursday, about seven minutes before finding the men, who acknowledged the Hummer was theirs, police said.
Both men were carrying loaded handguns, and police found an AR-type rifle in the Hummer, authorities said at a news conference Friday. About 160 rounds of ammunition were found in the weapons and the vehicle, authorities said.
Stickers and a hat with logos of the QAnon conspiracy movement were found in the vehicle, Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner said.
LaMotta and Macias were charged with having a concealed firearm without a license and carrying a firearm on a public street or public property, Krasner said.
"This alarming incident is still very much under investigation regarding additional charges," Krasner said.
LaMotta and Macias were arraigned Friday night, and a judge set bail at $750,000 each, Krasner's spokeswoman Jane Roh said.
It wasn't immediately clear whether the men had legal representation. CNN has sought comment from the Philadelphia Public Defenders Office and LaMotta's relatives.
A woman who was traveling with the men has not been arrested, Krasner said.




https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/07/us/pennsylvania-convention-center-arrests/index.html

Firearms, forgery, and electoral fraud.

[Horus]

Of course they were in a Hummer.

[pbrower2a]

I introduced the story on the attempted "fake ballot delivery" to Wikipedia to its article on electoral fraud.

[Hammy]

Not surprising, every conspiracy theory (in this case the carts of fake ballots) they throw out there is a confession

[geekknight]

es, we have had several Australian elections in which the party winning the most votes didn't win the most seats. But that's in a parliamentary system, which is not a single election, but (in case of the House of Reps) 151 separate elections, one in each seat. In each of those elections the winning candidate must poll a majority of votes. It's not possible to design a parliamentary system in which the party polling the most votes is guaranteed to win the most seats. But in a presidential election, there is only one election - a national choice between two individuals. Basic democratic principle says that the candidate with a majority of votes should win. Only in the US is this distorted by a requirement to win separate majorities in the states.

Well, in many parliamentary systems in Europe, afaik, the seats are divided proportionally and each party just makes a list of candidates so people know who they are voting for; so in that way even in a parliamentary system you can keep this proportionality (at the cost of direct representation, unless you use a hybrid system like Germany...)

[Anzeigenhauptmeister]

es, we have had several Australian elections in which the party winning the most votes didn't win the most seats. But that's in a parliamentary system, which is not a single election, but (in case of the House of Reps) 151 separate elections, one in each seat. In each of those elections the winning candidate must poll a majority of votes. It's not possible to design a parliamentary system in which the party polling the most votes is guaranteed to win the most seats. But in a presidential election, there is only one election - a national choice between two individuals. Basic democratic principle says that the candidate with a majority of votes should win. Only in the US is this distorted by a requirement to win separate majorities in the states.

If you consider the European Union a state, the election the the European Parliament consists of 27 single elections. It may even happen that a person who hasn't even been nominated as a presidential candidate can become EU Commission President - just like Uschi did... 😒

[Stockdale for Veep]

If faithless electors swung it to Trump, how many GOP senators would not certify the results?

I would say only 10-20.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

If faithless electors swung it to Trump, how many GOP senators would not certify the results?

I would say only 10-20.

The GOP pulling shenanigans with certification of the results or something is extremely unlikely, but at least it's the sort of thing they might do. ~10-40 Biden electors deciding to vote for Trump instead Because Reasons is just crazy talk.