Voter suppresion/"stealing the election" megathread

[Hammy]

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1325921392928370690

Everybody who denied this would happen is complicit

Read above

Except they can still block certification of the results.

Exactly how?

Given they're launching an audit, I imagine they're going to keep that tied up long enough to where there aren't finalized results in time for certification, or alternately they're planning on submitting a competing vote tally.

[Dr. Arch]

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1325921392928370690

Everybody who denied this would happen is complicit

Read above

Except they can still block certification of the results.

Exactly how?

Given they're launching an audit, I imagine they're going to keep that tied up long enough to where there aren't finalized results in time for certification, or alternately they're planning on submitting a competing vote tally.

Yeah, not happening.

I can't believe that there are people STILL dooming AFTER the election. It's embarrassing and inflicting undue stress on folks.

[GeneralMacArthur]

So basically they pass such a resolution and then Wolf and Boockvar tell them to go pound sand.

Please note that it's Fetterman posting that and he seems pretty cocky...

Pretty clear throughout all of this that PA Dem party is using the opportunity to give Fetterman the spotlight and set him up to either challenge Toomey or succeed Wolf as governor.

[Hammy]

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1325921392928370690

Everybody who denied this would happen is complicit

Read above

Except they can still block certification of the results.

Exactly how?

Given they're launching an audit, I imagine they're going to keep that tied up long enough to where there aren't finalized results in time for certification, or alternately they're planning on submitting a competing vote tally.

Yeah, not happening.

I can't believe that there are people STILL dooming AFTER the election. It's embarrassing and inflicting undue stress on folks.

Amazing people are utterly ignoring the fact that an incumbent president is openly attempting to overthrow the results. Not all of us have the luxury of packing up and moving somewhere else.

For me personally I'm about as stressed as can be and am trying to get some answers to rest easier, not some dismissal from people who seem like they're plugging their ears and living in their own reality.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1325921392928370690

Everybody who denied this would happen is complicit

Read above

Except they can still block certification of the results.

Exactly how?

Given they're launching an audit, I imagine they're going to keep that tied up long enough to where there aren't finalized results in time for certification, or alternately they're planning on submitting a competing vote tally.

Yeah, not happening.

I can't believe that there are people STILL dooming AFTER the election. It's embarrassing and inflicting undue stress on folks.

Amazing people are utterly ignoring the fact that an incumbent president is openly attempting to overthrow the results. Not all of us have the luxury of packing up and moving somewhere else.

For me personally I'm about as stressed as can be and am trying to get some answers to rest easier, not some dismissal from people who seem like they're plugging their ears and living in their own reality.

Then stop dooming and just ask the questions. Fetterman made it clear that the Governor of PA can simply ignore this. There's the answer to rest easier.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1326000431546458113

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/mimirocah1/status/1326079731515740160?s=21

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/GreatDismal/status/1326168959897333761

[Non Swing Voter]

I think Trump, Barr, other enablers made the calculus to act lawlessly with the strong hope that Trump would win.  Now they're desperate and scrambling.  I wonder how many people get prosecuted after Biden takes office.

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1326216715861192705

[xavier110]

Pompeo just said we will have a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.

https://mobile.twitter.com/cspan/status/1326230270421426183

BUT NO COUP, HUH, ATLAS? Keep pounding your heads in the sand

[redjohn]

I wonder if Republicans realize they're participating in the destruction of democracy, if they just don't care, or if they think the ends justify the means.

Imagine if Barack Obama had lost his bid for re-election to Romney across several states, and President Obama blamed his loss purely on fraud and said he actually won, and Democratic legislatures began talking about how to overturn the election results, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was publicly saying they will be ready for Obama's second term. Liberal media took his side, saying there was fraud despite no evidence. The entire Democratic base supported the halting of vote counting in conservative areas. Nearly every Democratic official refused to acknowledge defeat, and refused to support transition to the rightful winner.

It's horrifying, and this is how democracies fall.

[HisGrace]

Trump is blatantly in Mussolini or Franco territory at this point. The fact that he will likely fail does not morally defend him from trying to seize power anyway after he lost a democratic election. I normally advocate a "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" standard when someone dies but I will have no issues with people celebrating or defacing his grave when he does. Unelected heads of state who just rule by force rather than the consent of the governed are human garbage and that
is what Trump is trying to be. This is the worst thing he has yet done.

I commented earlier that the fact that most conservatives are on board with this proves they would have actually been loyalists despite the "patriot" rhetoric. You want a king, move to Saudi Arabia.

[Del Tachi]

I wonder if Republicans realize they're participating in the destruction of democracy, if they just don't care, or if they think the ends justify the means.

Imagine if Barack Obama had lost his bid for re-election to Romney across several states, and President Obama blamed his loss purely on fraud and said he actually won, and Democratic legislatures began talking about how to overturn the election results, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was publicly saying they will be ready for Obama's second term. Liberal media took his side, saying there was fraud despite no evidence. The entire Democratic base supported the halting of vote counting in conservative areas. Nearly every Democratic official refused to acknowledge defeat, and refused to support transition to the rightful winner.

It's horrifying, and this is how democracies fall.

No state has yet certified its election results.  The president will not be elected until the votes of the electoral college are transmitted to Congress on December 14.  This is what our system is.

Trump is 100% within his rights to call into question irregularities, weigh his legal options, and have his day in court.  This is not "stealing the election," "going Mussolini" or any of the other gross superlatives used in this thread.  This is the president using the legal avenues available to him (as they would be to anyone else) to challenge the results, which is something Democrats should know all about.

Twenty years ago, VP Gore exhausted his legal options before conceding the election 36 days after the final votes were cast.  After the media "called" the race for Bush in 2004, Democrats in Congress baselessly objected to the results in Ohio (first time since 1876 had this happened.)  In 2016, many states saw recounts and legal challenges concerning the presidential election.  Like that year, it looks like the decisive states in 2020 will be decided by less than 1%.

If any irregularities occurred of substantially-enough size to affect the national result, then any well-intentioned American should want them brought to light.  If Democrats feel like they have not occurred, then they should not fear the extra scrutiny.  The projections and commentary of the press are irrelevant here; we have the tools and institutions needed to address any concerns transparently.   

[DabbingSanta]

I wonder if Republicans realize they're participating in the destruction of democracy, if they just don't care, or if they think the ends justify the means.

Imagine if Barack Obama had lost his bid for re-election to Romney across several states, and President Obama blamed his loss purely on fraud and said he actually won, and Democratic legislatures began talking about how to overturn the election results, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was publicly saying they will be ready for Obama's second term. Liberal media took his side, saying there was fraud despite no evidence. The entire Democratic base supported the halting of vote counting in conservative areas. Nearly every Democratic official refused to acknowledge defeat, and refused to support transition to the rightful winner.

It's horrifying, and this is how democracies fall.

No state has yet certified its election results.  The president will not be elected until the votes of the electoral college are transmitted to Congress on December 14.  This is what our system is.

Trump is 100% within his rights to call into question irregularities, weigh his legal options, and have his day in court.  This is not "stealing the election," "going Mussolini" or any of the other gross superlatives used in this thread.  This is the president using the legal avenues available to him (as they would be to anyone else) to challenge the results, which is something Democrats should know all about.

Twenty years ago, VP Gore exhausted his legal options before conceding the election 36 days after the final votes were cast.  After the media "called" the race for Bush in 2004, Democrats in Congress baselessly objected to the results in Ohio (first time since 1876 had this happened.)  In 2016, many states saw recounts and legal challenges concerning the presidential election.  Like that year, it looks like the decisive states in 2020 will be decided by less than 1%.

If any irregularities occurred of substantially-enough size to affect the national result, then any well-intentioned American should want them brought to light.  If Democrats feel like they have not occurred, then they should not fear the extra scrutiny.  The projections and commentary of the press are irrelevant here; we have the tools and institutions needed to address any concerns transparently.  

Fair enough, but does he really think challenging the vote in this many states is going to help him? There is no evidence to suggest even a thousand people have committed voter fraud, and recounts never swing a race by that many votes.  Wouldn't it be healthier to accept defeat and move on?

[xavier110]

I wonder if Republicans realize they're participating in the destruction of democracy, if they just don't care, or if they think the ends justify the means.

Imagine if Barack Obama had lost his bid for re-election to Romney across several states, and President Obama blamed his loss purely on fraud and said he actually won, and Democratic legislatures began talking about how to overturn the election results, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was publicly saying they will be ready for Obama's second term. Liberal media took his side, saying there was fraud despite no evidence. The entire Democratic base supported the halting of vote counting in conservative areas. Nearly every Democratic official refused to acknowledge defeat, and refused to support transition to the rightful winner.

It's horrifying, and this is how democracies fall.

No state has yet certified its election results.  The president will not be elected until the votes of the electoral college are transmitted to Congress on December 14.  This is what our system is.

Trump is 100% within his rights to call into question irregularities, weigh his legal options, and have his day in court.  This is not "stealing the election," "going Mussolini" or any of the other gross superlatives used in this thread.  This is the president using the legal avenues available to him (as they would be to anyone else) to challenge the results, which is something Democrats should know all about.

Twenty years ago, VP Gore exhausted his legal options before conceding the election 36 days after the final votes were cast.  After the media "called" the race for Bush in 2004, Democrats in Congress baselessly objected to the results in Ohio (first time since 1876 had this happened.)  In 2016, many states saw recounts and legal challenges concerning the presidential election.  Like that year, it looks like the decisive states in 2020 will be decided by less than 1%.

If any irregularities occurred of substantially-enough size to affect the national result, then any well-intentioned American should want them brought to light.  If Democrats feel like they have not occurred, then they should not fear the extra scrutiny.  The projections and commentary of the press are irrelevant here; we have the tools and institutions needed to address any concerns transparently.  

Lol at thinking these are good faith actors. The Kool Aid must taste nice.

They are doing this KNOWING there are no irregularities or fraudulent ballots that will overturn Biden’s margins in several states. And it’s not as if Trump will say “Oh the process played out and I lost.”

The contortions to justify this are appalling. How is this even comparable to Gore pursuing legal options for one state dubiously decided by 500 votes? Like what are you even saying?

[Del Tachi]

I wonder if Republicans realize they're participating in the destruction of democracy, if they just don't care, or if they think the ends justify the means.

Imagine if Barack Obama had lost his bid for re-election to Romney across several states, and President Obama blamed his loss purely on fraud and said he actually won, and Democratic legislatures began talking about how to overturn the election results, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was publicly saying they will be ready for Obama's second term. Liberal media took his side, saying there was fraud despite no evidence. The entire Democratic base supported the halting of vote counting in conservative areas. Nearly every Democratic official refused to acknowledge defeat, and refused to support transition to the rightful winner.

It's horrifying, and this is how democracies fall.

No state has yet certified its election results.  The president will not be elected until the votes of the electoral college are transmitted to Congress on December 14.  This is what our system is.

Trump is 100% within his rights to call into question irregularities, weigh his legal options, and have his day in court.  This is not "stealing the election," "going Mussolini" or any of the other gross superlatives used in this thread.  This is the president using the legal avenues available to him (as they would be to anyone else) to challenge the results, which is something Democrats should know all about.

Twenty years ago, VP Gore exhausted his legal options before conceding the election 36 days after the final votes were cast.  After the media "called" the race for Bush in 2004, Democrats in Congress baselessly objected to the results in Ohio (first time since 1876 had this happened.)  In 2016, many states saw recounts and legal challenges concerning the presidential election.  Like that year, it looks like the decisive states in 2020 will be decided by less than 1%.

If any irregularities occurred of substantially-enough size to affect the national result, then any well-intentioned American should want them brought to light.  If Democrats feel like they have not occurred, then they should not fear the extra scrutiny.  The projections and commentary of the press are irrelevant here; we have the tools and institutions needed to address any concerns transparently.   

Fair enough, but does he really think challenging the vote in this many states is going to help him? There is no evidence to suggest even a thousand people have committed voter fraud, and recounts never swing a race by that many votes.  Wouldn't it be healthier to accept defeat and move on?

Politically for him and the Republican Party, yes probably (if he does end up pulling it off, however, the reward will be quite immense.)  But the red avatars shrieking about "dictatorships" and "fascism" are either being woefully or willingly ignorant of their own party's history on legal challenges to election results.

[Kalimantan]

I wonder if Republicans realize they're participating in the destruction of democracy, if they just don't care, or if they think the ends justify the means.

Imagine if Barack Obama had lost his bid for re-election to Romney across several states, and President Obama blamed his loss purely on fraud and said he actually won, and Democratic legislatures began talking about how to overturn the election results, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was publicly saying they will be ready for Obama's second term. Liberal media took his side, saying there was fraud despite no evidence. The entire Democratic base supported the halting of vote counting in conservative areas. Nearly every Democratic official refused to acknowledge defeat, and refused to support transition to the rightful winner.

It's horrifying, and this is how democracies fall.

No state has yet certified its election results.  The president will not be elected until the votes of the electoral college are transmitted to Congress on December 14.  This is what our system is.

Trump is 100% within his rights to call into question irregularities, weigh his legal options, and have his day in court.  This is not "stealing the election," "going Mussolini" or any of the other gross superlatives used in this thread.  This is the president using the legal avenues available to him (as they would be to anyone else) to challenge the results, which is something Democrats should know all about.

Twenty years ago, VP Gore exhausted his legal options before conceding the election 36 days after the final votes were cast.  After the media "called" the race for Bush in 2004, Democrats in Congress baselessly objected to the results in Ohio (first time since 1876 had this happened.)  In 2016, many states saw recounts and legal challenges concerning the presidential election.  Like that year, it looks like the decisive states in 2020 will be decided by less than 1%.

If any irregularities occurred of substantially-enough size to affect the national result, then any well-intentioned American should want them brought to light.  If Democrats feel like they have not occurred, then they should not fear the extra scrutiny.  The projections and commentary of the press are irrelevant here; we have the tools and institutions needed to address any concerns transparently.   

Gore wanted a recount in a single state that was within 500 votes and there was a known 'hanging chads' issue. He wasn't using 'fraud'. Moreover he didn't fight for recounts or yell fraud in New Hampshire, which he lost by 7000 votes, or in Nevada, which he lost by 21000, either of which would have given him the presidency without Florida.

This is a totally different situation, with Republicans baselessly objecting to the results in myriad states with huge vote deficits, like in Ohio 2004 except there Kerry had already conceded and the objection came from others, and the Dems didn't control the White House in any case.

No, this current situation is unique

[DabbingSanta]

Politically for him and the Republican Party, yes probably (if he does end up pulling it off, however, the reward will be quite immense.)  But the red avatars shrieking about "dictatorships" and "fascism" are either being woefully or willingly ignorant of their own party's history on legal challenges to election results.

If Trump were successful at "stealing" the election, I am sure there would be widespread rioting and violence.  Joe Biden rightfully won this election.  This seems more like a desperate attempt at clinging to power than anything else, and it violates a lot of democratic norms in the process.

[HisGrace]

I wonder if Republicans realize they're participating in the destruction of democracy, if they just don't care, or if they think the ends justify the means.

Imagine if Barack Obama had lost his bid for re-election to Romney across several states, and President Obama blamed his loss purely on fraud and said he actually won, and Democratic legislatures began talking about how to overturn the election results, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was publicly saying they will be ready for Obama's second term. Liberal media took his side, saying there was fraud despite no evidence. The entire Democratic base supported the halting of vote counting in conservative areas. Nearly every Democratic official refused to acknowledge defeat, and refused to support transition to the rightful winner.

It's horrifying, and this is how democracies fall.

No state has yet certified its election results.  The president will not be elected until the votes of the electoral college are transmitted to Congress on December 14.  This is what our system is.

Trump is 100% within his rights to call into question irregularities, weigh his legal options, and have his day in court.  This is not "stealing the election," "going Mussolini" or any of the other gross superlatives used in this thread.  This is the president using the legal avenues available to him (as they would be to anyone else) to challenge the results, which is something Democrats should know all about.

Twenty years ago, VP Gore exhausted his legal options before conceding the election 36 days after the final votes were cast.  After the media "called" the race for Bush in 2004, Democrats in Congress baselessly objected to the results in Ohio (first time since 1876 had this happened.)  In 2016, many states saw recounts and legal challenges concerning the presidential election.  Like that year, it looks like the decisive states in 2020 will be decided by less than 1%.

If any irregularities occurred of substantially-enough size to affect the national result, then any well-intentioned American should want them brought to light.  If Democrats feel like they have not occurred, then they should not fear the extra scrutiny.  The projections and commentary of the press are irrelevant here; we have the tools and institutions needed to address any concerns transparently.   

The 2000 election was decided by a few hundred votes and there were some very badly designed ballots in Florida that made it ambiguous who someone intended to vote for. For the record, I legally agree with the Bush v. Gore court decision but it was still a matter that was capable of dispute. This is not. Changing the outcome of the election would require nearly 100k votes to be swung by fraud, over several states, many of which are controlled by Republicans. Trump is suing in Michigan where he lost by more than 100k alone. These are extraordinary claims and doctored Project Veritas videos and randos with GoFundMe pages do not constitute extraordinary evidence.

The thing that prompted my comment was Trump's recent lawsuit in Pennsylvania for all mail in voting to be retroactively declared unconstitutional. If he and his campaign really thought that they could have sued before the election. The reason they didn't is that the mail in voter could have just shown up in person and voted for Biden. Trump wants to retroactively change the law to toss out votes that were legally cast according to the laws on election day. He knows he lost and is just trying to steal it, there is no genuine dispute about the count. On election night Trump demanded counting stop like 30% of the way in and wanted to be immediately declared the winner. Again, the fact that he tried and failed is not a defense. That makes it clear he's not interested in an accurate count, he just wants to do anything to win.

[xavier110]

The last I checked President Clinton didn’t fire everyone at the Pentagon so that he could deploy troops on the public, have all his lackies deny Bush’s existence and claim Gore was the winner of FL, TN, and any other state he lost.

Cuz that’s what is happening here. It is a coup attempt.

[xavier110]

https://mobile.twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1326273311513436160

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

So basically they pass such a resolution and then Wolf and Boockvar tell them to go pound sand.

Please note that it's Fetterman posting that and he seems pretty cocky...

Pretty clear throughout all of this that PA Dem party is using the opportunity to give Fetterman the spotlight and set him up to either challenge Toomey or succeed Wolf as governor.

Or even beyond...

[Ferguson97]

https://mobile.twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1326273311513436160

No clue what to make of this

[ProgressiveModerate]

https://mobile.twitter.com/henryrodgersdc/status/1326273311513436160

Maybe he's going to investigate what happened to Mitch McConnel's hands.