Voter suppresion/"stealing the election" megathread

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1338119467654651905
The Georgia Supreme Court ruled against Trump.

So the only major case that's left is the one in front of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

And by the way, the Georgia Supreme Court is currently 7 Republicans to 1 independent (with one new Republican justice about to be sworn in.)

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

So the only major case that's left is the one in front of the Wisconsin Supreme Court.

I'm pretty confident it'll be 4-3 for laches at the very least (I have to wonder about the pattern recognition skills of people worried about Hagedorn, given his track record on voting cases), but I do have to admit the uncertainty is wigging me out a little. I'll probably be cutting back on my forum activity until the ruling drops for that reason.

The initial decision was actually 6-1 on whether ballots could be thrown out. 6 justices said absolutely not, with two other conservatives joining the liberals and Hagedorn, only Bradley did not rule it out, and I doubt even her (one of the most hackish justices on any state Supreme Court) is willing to deal with the reputation blowback and having to run again with this decision hanging over her (even if it's not until 2026), for a dissenting opinion. It's possible they might restrict the sort of events in question in the future since I don't think Hagedorn is solid on that, but that won't be a big deal in a post-Covid election.

Bradley by the way is one truly Horrible Person in a literal sense too, she's basically some spoiled trust fund baby who used her resources to get into a mid-tier law school after writing some very messed up things in her undergrad and then got gifted a judgeship from Scott Walker as basically a prize for her work for conservative Wisconsin organizations and was eventually elevated to the State Supreme Court via that. Probably one of the least qualified judges on any state Supreme Court as well. It's kind of comparable to if Ivanka had gone to law school instead of into fashion design and then got a judge appointment from Ron DeSantis.

[Bootes Void]

I think Trump/GOP actually committed election fraud and voter suppression and still managed to lose, that's why they are pissed.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Keep in mind that even if the WI Supreme Court rules with Trump, Biden still gets 296 EV’s

They won't. The bigger question is will they rule in time for the electors to vote.

Best bet is a ruling first thing tomorrow. I think they are going to make changes, perhaps substantial to future elections which is why the opinion is taking some time. Obviously last months results are final.

It seems plausible that some election practices in WI this year, like "Democracy in the Park" and staff filling in missing address information on absentee ballots, are legally dubious. I'm not an expert on it and that's a legitimate thing for the WI Supreme Court to decide.

Obviously the Republicans/Trump don't deserve to have votes thrown out post-election to turn a loss into a win, and that's the point of the doctrine of laches. But clarifying for future elections what practices are allowed under the law and what practices are not, that seems like a reasonable thing for the court to do.

It's plausible that they're legally dubious, yes. But I just want to make it clear that they do appear to be in accordance with official Wisconsin election process. For example:

https://elections.wi.gov/node/7190

On Election Day, if a voter needs to correct information on the absentee certificate envelope, they and/or their original witness, depending on what the error is, must appear at the polling place or central count. This would be due to missing voter information, missing voter signature, or missing witness signature. The witness can appear without the voter to add their signature or address. Please note that the clerk should attempt to resolve any missing witness address information prior to Election Day if possible, and this can be done through reliable information (personal knowledge, voter registration information, through a phone call with the voter or witness). The witness does not need to appear to add a missing address.

And it's not a new process, either:

“The witness can appear without the voter to add their signature or address,” the memo states. “Please note that the clerk should attempt to resolve any missing witness address information prior to Election Day if possible, and this can be done through reliable information (personal knowledge, voter registration information, through a phone call with the voter or witness). The witness does not need to appear to add a missing address.”

The commission’s public information officer, Reid Magney, said this guidance has been in place since October 2016 and was brought forward that year by Republicans on the commission. Indeed, an Oct. 18, 2016, memo states that clerks are required to “take corrective actions in an attempt to remedy a witness address error.”

“The guidance has been in effect for 11 statewide elections, including the 2016 presidential and presidential recount, and no one has objected to it until now,” he said.

[GoTfan]

So what happens if Mo Brooks decides to try and push through with his plan for Congress to not certify the results? I'm assuming nothing and he ends up suitably humiliated?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

So what happens if Mo Brooks decides to try and push through with his plan for Congress to not certify the results? I'm assuming nothing and he ends up suitably humiliated?

Unless he can get a senator to go along with him, absolutely nothing. If he can get a senator to join him (one of the usual crew of deplorables - Graham, Cruz, Paul - seems at least plausible) then the whole process has to be paused while the joint session splits and votes. That process changes nothing unless House and Senate both reject a Certificate of Vote (which isn't going to happen), so it becomes nothing but a time-consuming annoyance and an excuse for #DiaperDon to tweet more BS.

[sguberman]

I think Trump/GOP actually committed election fraud and voter suppression and still managed to lose, that's why they are pissed.

My dad has been pushing that claim for weeks and I am starting to believe him.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Michigan House, Senate close offices due to threats ahead of electors' meeting

Amber McCann, spokeswoman for Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake, said Sunday night the Senate closed its offices based on "recommendations from law enforcement." The decision was not based on anticipated protests but on "credible threats of violence," McCann said.

"Due to safety and security concerns, the Senate and all Senate spaces in downtown Lansing will be closed Monday, December 14," the Senate notification said. "The Capitol, Binsfeld Office Building, and Senate offices within Boji Tower will be closed."

The notification to House staffers said, "(O)nly those needed for the Electoral College will be permitted in the Capitol Building."

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338483200046354434

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://mobile.twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1338507002549587968

[Gass3268]

Wisconsin State Supreme Court rejects Trump's lawsuit:

https://twitter.com/SJohnsonWPR/status/1338528998582870022?s=20

The vote count is all over the place, so not exactly sure what the breakdown is yet.

[BudgieForce]

It was apparently 4-3 with Hagedorn joining the liberals.

Jesus Christ Wisconsin. Too close for comfort.

Edit: Thank goodness for Hagedorn. And thank goodness to Wisconsin voters for electing Karofsky back in April.

Edit: And of course, thank goodness for the other two liberal justices.

[pbrower2a]

Trump did not get to steal Pennsylvania's electoral votes.

[Bootes Void]

What did 3 justices in the minority say? Are they finding a way to appease the trumpists?

[BudgieForce]

What did 3 justices in the minority say? Are they finding a way to appease the trumpists?

https://twitter.com/MollyBeck/status/1338532421524881408
I'm honeslty not really sure what Roggensack is trying to say here. The election wasn't conducted fairly so we need to throw out these ballots to earn back the public's trust?

I'm sure legal twitter will have a better understanding of what the minority opinion was but that was my take.

[SteveRogers]

What did 3 justices in the minority say? Are they finding a way to appease the trumpists?

I just skimmed over it, but it sounds like none of them actually had the balls to say that they would throw out votes en masse over these issues. They mostly just whine about how the majority punted on reaching the merits via the doctrine of laches.

[BudgieForce]

https://twitter.com/sbauerAP/status/1338534763259424768

If the conservatives got what they wanted it would have been a huge mess. The time and place for this was back in August and September, not a month after the election. Thankfully Hagedorn saw that.

[Devils30]

What did 3 justices in the minority say? Are they finding a way to appease the trumpists?

I just skimmed over it, but it sounds like none of them actually had the balls to say that they would throw out votes en masse over these issues. They mostly just whine about how the majority punted on reaching the merits via the doctrine of laches.

The Dems should investigate a recall for these thugs.

[BudgieForce]

Could be sign of things to come for Trump's future legal challenges:

https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1338618678741438465

I'm not sure how long this appeal has actually existed, but it kind of seems like the Georgia Supreme Court slapped it down with an hour of it getting posted. I wouldn't be surprised if more judges just start slapping these cases down for being moot.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Republican legal teams are still raking up the Ls.

https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1338627676953661440?s=20

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Could be sign of things to come for Trump's future legal challenges:

https://twitter.com/stphnfwlr/status/1338618678741438465

I'm not sure how long this appeal has actually existed, but it kind of seems like the Georgia Supreme Court slapped it down with an hour of it getting posted. I wouldn't be surprised if more judges just start slapping these cases down for being moot.

Reminder that the Georgia Supreme Court is almost all Republican, with the exception of one justice who was never appointed and only elected, and identifies as an independent.

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338715842931023873
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338718081443622912

retweet:
https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1338684648889708544

[emailking]

I don't even see the warnings anymore. But about half his feed has them.

[BlueSwan]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338715842931023873
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338718081443622912

retweet:
https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1338684648889708544

So what the hell is this all about. I assume it is the usual BS and no real evidence exists. Has anybody looked into this?

EDIT: yeah, turns out it IS infact the usual BS: https://twitter.com/ClimateTalker/status/1338534305878913025

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

retweet:
https://twitter.com/KelemenCari/status/1338684648889708544

"...Biden is pretending he [won the election]."